Very useful things, clip leads, but remember if you're going to do that to check their resistance beforehand. I've seen people go grey prototyping filters via clip-leads, then discovering when the circuit is built up on a PCB or hard-wired onto a board that it doesn't behave the same way due to the altered cicuit resistance.
Hi,
Exactly. Clip leads, especially the cheap chinese ones, have a considerably high resistance, and if you´re using quite a handful of them in a quick XO mock-up, they can quickly screw up what you´re doing.
Of course it´s more work, but despite the fact that I have plenty of them, I try to avoid use of clip leads whenever possible.
All the best
Mattes
Exactly. Clip leads, especially the cheap chinese ones, have a considerably high resistance, and if you´re using quite a handful of them in a quick XO mock-up, they can quickly screw up what you´re doing.
Of course it´s more work, but despite the fact that I have plenty of them, I try to avoid use of clip leads whenever possible.
All the best
Mattes
Hi,
I'm very curious about that as I'm only tried the Jantzen Cross-Cap. Can you sumarize fastly please the main difference between the superior and the standard please ?
Hi Iggy,
Was that question aimed at me? If so, in my personal opinion, the Sup-Z sounds more detailed than the Standard-Z, and in the same time less like there´s anything in between amp and speaker. For a high quality system, IMO it makes sense even with large values, but that all depends. If you´re using mid-fi drivers, it will make no sense to invest a few hundred bucks into caps, better get a better driver for your cash.
But when you feel that you do have the best driver for your application, it might be worth it.
Just to keep things into perspective: I actually do sell Jantzen parts, but very seldom. Just remember to read my words with a grain of salt...
All the best
Mattes
I don't see how a good quality capacitor could add brightness to the sound. Its a filter and so can't be any brighter than an active crossover. A junk capacitor can add brightness though.
I just bought a Jantzen crosscap for a first order filter for a build. My decision was influenced by listening to a cheap junk capacitor for a test. It worked but the junk cap sounded bad. I noticed a chirpy splashy transistor radio-like sound that was irritating enough that I had to take it out.
I just bought a Jantzen crosscap for a first order filter for a build. My decision was influenced by listening to a cheap junk capacitor for a test. It worked but the junk cap sounded bad. I noticed a chirpy splashy transistor radio-like sound that was irritating enough that I had to take it out.
I always experiment myself. Some capacitors add to much brightness on hard dome tweeters but seem to work well with soft dome tweeters. Others just the opposite; they sound too mellow on soft domes but work well with hard domes. I stand by the Superior Z as the best capacitor for the money. It's not inexpensive but considering it can even improve the sound of budget drivers, it is still worth it to me. Of course; I wouldn't put a $35 capacitor on a $20 tweeter in general. I have done that just because I had some on hand and yes, there were improvements even on something so cheap. I would never do this as a design goal however. When I am unsure of what values I may need; I have a lot of the Audyn Q4 capacitors of many values. They are quite good for the cheap price and sometimes that is all you need. So I start with these until I am satisfied with my results then I upgrade to a higher quality if the drivers or design warrants the extra expense. Sometimes it just comes down to listening preference and personal tastes.
hi 😉,The Standard Z is a regular single-foil MKP. The Superior Z is a bifilar wound type (like Mundorf's Supreme) in a metal can. For the sake of reference, the Silver Z is identical to the Superior Z apart from having silver leadouts and a silver rather than a red cosmetic wrap.
do you know what wound tech use the claritycap ESA ?
thank you
As far as I know, it's a bog-standard MKP as far as winding geometry (and probably almost everything else) is concerned.
I has forgotten about bypassing, until yesterday when I paralleled a 10uf polystyrenes and 2.2uf Ampohm tinfoil in wax paper caps to tweak my tweeter filter.The cap bypassing in speaker filters is a strange sport.
We all remember in the 90s that brands liked to add 0.1 uF everywhere. Nowadays people like Tony Gee at HHMH advises as low as 0.01 F.
My experience on tweeters is the lower the capacitance bypass the more thin the sound it gives with feeling of silkness and details but a the cost of weight & thickness. Imho one should be prudent , some speakers will sound in a first feeling with more details and light end note but no acurate sometimes. Really ask some care, I removed a styren and a teflon, both 0.1 on a tweeter because it was not so natural there... so nothing universal imho : soetimes it's beter, sometimes not...
I would like to understand what is the rule : 0.47 uF ?, 1 uF, 0.01 uF ? 0.1 uF ? 1/3 of the total capacitance not to break the main ? What about the diference of esr, DF between those // caps ? Current like to flow where it's the most easy, so what really happen ? Does the curent is seing the same close total capacitance, resistance and inductance when we bycap ??
I like it better than the 12uf Superior pair they replaced.
Since I still have some smaller value Ampohms left, I bypassed my centre channel 10uf Audyn Plus high frequency full ranger with a 0.47uf tinfoil paper in oil cap, and after a few hours, a little raspiness left. I should note it's not major, and not noticeable to me using the AVR internal amp, it's only apparent using a 5 or 6 years old power amp.
Instead of assigning magic qualities to the Ampohms, I wonder if the differences are just due to the much higher power handling of the Ampohms, and their presumably lower ESR.
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