I have learned quite a bit from this discusion. It is good to be critical, but derission does not lead to new insights. We are not there yet.
All depends on which insights you are ready to accept. It may be nothing, but may be a lot.
All depends if this derision makes sense or not, don't you think ?
"Le rire est le propre de l'homme" (Rabelais)
Sexier, anyway.
It's fun to bash the high end manufacturers, one would expect that on a diy forum. High end makes a great target. But don't lay all the blame on the manufactures, the customers demand goofy gadgets more than the builders build them.
I've had people ask for all sorts of over the top things that would not make a difference, or at least not be worth the money. You can tell 'em, but they won't believe you. They want the latest hot thing. Caps, connectors and binding posts are particular items of fetish - along with cables. So what do you do, tell them to spend their money elsewhere? You can, and they will.
As noted by others, the audio sector is not unique in this.
It's fun to bash the high end manufacturers, one would expect that on a diy forum. High end makes a great target. But don't lay all the blame on the manufactures, the customers demand goofy gadgets more than the builders build them.
I've had people ask for all sorts of over the top things that would not make a difference, or at least not be worth the money. You can tell 'em, but they won't believe you. They want the latest hot thing. Caps, connectors and binding posts are particular items of fetish - along with cables. So what do you do, tell them to spend their money elsewhere? You can, and they will.
As noted by others, the audio sector is not unique in this.
No, more in the sense of ensuring that there always will be a supply of new ones.
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Exactly like electrons in Coper atoms of a wire (poor attempt to recenter this thread ;-)
Back to myths and facts: according to quantum physics electrons in their random activity are influenced by human mind.
I twice set up smoke alarm in my house. Both times I was in the state of deep meditation. Batteries were fine, no smoke at all, and I did not think of meditation as the cause until I read the book of Dean Radin called Entangled Minds.
According to Dean Radin. Not according to quantum physics. His hypothesis is... let's say "not well-established."
I agree. According to not well - established hypothesis speaker cables when randomly change structure after being overheated, or overcooled, or by other means processed such a way they change their structure randomly, are influenced by human mind and end results depend on desires. The same about random emission from cathodes of tubes. With no negative feedback random processes in vacuum tubes are easier influenced by mind than when negative feedback applied.
Is it better now?
so triodes are immune to your desires?
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/tube...e-internal-negative-feedback.html#post2390464
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/tube...e-internal-negative-feedback.html#post2390464
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Yes. The power of mind is fantastic, indeed. Specially on itself when listening to cables sonic colors.
But you have to take care about burning-in your mind. There is an improvement during the first 30 years. But, after 55, some can measure a noticeable loss in performance. (Can-I generalize my own experience ?)
Like some Wires, our brain is largely over sized, some pretend we use only 20% of his capacities. I tried several time to power on my 80% unused, with no success.
May-i pretend that memory effects are more noticeable in our minds than in isolators of wires ?
Long time memory distortion effects, witch can abuse ourself with our life experiences and desires, short time memory, witch can produce internal IM and harmonic distortions when we listen blind to 5 sets of cables.
The problem is we do not have any measurement equipment of those kind of mind distortions. So it is hard to argue against some people's affirmations about the "sounds of cables".
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Who cares?
Now, what I care deeply about is that Kimber's KS 6068 contains VariStrand silver conductors in a multilayered matrix geometry (with solid silver conductors) around an X38R central core. While Monster Cable's Sigma Retro Gold was inspired by the Golden Gate Bridge and Rockefeller Centre, has a Pex2® dilectric, Super MultiTwist® conductors surrounded by a patented MicroFiber®, a Magnetic Flux Tube® in the networks, and gold / platinum contact alloy spades, Turbine® textured on one side. Oh yes.
Now, what I care deeply about is that Kimber's KS 6068 contains VariStrand silver conductors in a multilayered matrix geometry (with solid silver conductors) around an X38R central core. While Monster Cable's Sigma Retro Gold was inspired by the Golden Gate Bridge and Rockefeller Centre, has a Pex2® dilectric, Super MultiTwist® conductors surrounded by a patented MicroFiber®, a Magnetic Flux Tube® in the networks, and gold / platinum contact alloy spades, Turbine® textured on one side. Oh yes.
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I guess that because even a straight piece of wire exhibits inductance and certain geometries differing capacitance/inductance combined with source/load characteristics, conductor material thus resistivity/conductivity etc there is a lot going for differing 'sonic signatures' from different cables. Loudspeaker cable for example becomes part of a system whereby even the loudspeaker and cabinet itself would, if used with an amplifier employing negative feedback, would 'colour' the sound. Complex subject I think personally.
The Kimber KS 6068, a bargain at the price 🙂 , employs many techniques and a multitude of trademarks. Silver being a better conductor than copper, I found has a definate 'brighter' sound to it, at least the QED Reference products I am familiar with, interconnects and loudspeaker cables. By the way, are they enclosed ferrites on the Kimber KS ?
So far one of the nicest interconnects I have heard are my Van den Hul hybrids with the carbon conductor. Pleasing everywhere I have tried it.
Gareth
The Kimber KS 6068, a bargain at the price 🙂 , employs many techniques and a multitude of trademarks. Silver being a better conductor than copper, I found has a definate 'brighter' sound to it, at least the QED Reference products I am familiar with, interconnects and loudspeaker cables. By the way, are they enclosed ferrites on the Kimber KS ?
So far one of the nicest interconnects I have heard are my Van den Hul hybrids with the carbon conductor. Pleasing everywhere I have tried it.
Gareth
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