Spawn of Frugel-Horn

Scottmoose said:


🙂 Glad you're still enjoying.

Mikasa was basically a modified Majestic class battleship, built by Vickers. Had some of the improvements of the later Canopus class. Classic pre-dreadnought, beautifully ballanced (and looked it) & a tribute to Sir William White (the greatest warship designer of all time) who created the vessels she was based upon.

Well, I'm a naval historian. I've got to get the names from somewhere, right? 😉



I can imagine that working well.

It does work well Scott, in fact I cannot begin to describe how good it sounds to me! the Puresound has a lot of welly and this gels brilliantly with the sachiko.

Oh, so was the "sachiko" a ship then??

Steve.
 
john blackburn said:


I've heard them and I love them.

If my room wasn't so small and my woodworking skills even smaller there would be a pair here as well.

The description I think I used was "it sounds so effortless"

John

Hi John! you know there are lots of others that Scott has designed, smaller ones... I could help with the woodwork if you wanted.

Steve.
 
Scottmoose said:
Sachiko is a Japanese girls name, but I can't remember what it means off-hand -Dave?

Saburo OTOH is named for Saburo Sakai, the highest scoring surviving Japanese fighter pilot of WW2 (naval aviation), & also, by all accounts, a very decent human being.


Ahhhh... I see...

Here's one... "Kobayashi Maru" from Star Trek ! (at least i think it was....)

Steve.
 
aquapiranha said:
Oh, so was the "sachiko" a ship then??

The naming was a bit more complex than that. I choose a couple names out of a list of female Japanese names and Scott chose Mikasa... i didn't know about the ship. Sachiko was the name of a girl my wife went to scool with. Hiro is a charaxter in Heros. Saburo was a Japanese Zero pilot of great fame.

dave

edit: i see a whack of posts happened while i was typing.
 
Scottmoose said:
Sachiko is a Japanese girls name, but I can't remember what it means off-hand -IIRC, it was one Dave found. Dave?

If you Google Japanese girl's names....

Aiko -- beloved
Mikasa -- looks like i misrembered there, Mikasa doesn't show up on any of the lists 🙂
Sachiko -- child of bliss

and boys
Saburo --third born male
Hiro -- actually unisex, broad, widespread

dave
 
I still have a major soft spot for the Harveys, but I think I could only get about 2.5 metres away from them. Even then they would be hard into the corners of the room and I would be up against the rear wall.

I'm still experimenting with placement, but my Harveys are on a line just about 3 meters (10 feet) away from where my ears are when listening, and they're about 2.3 meters (8 feet) apart.

2.5 meters could work, might be worth a try. IIRC when they were briefly in Daniel's place, they were even closer and still sounded decent.

Of course, in both those situations there was room behind the listeners and the speakers: in my case, my head is about 3 feet (just under a meter) forward of bookshelves, and the back of the speakers is about 1/3 of a meter in front of record shelves which are not quite as high as the speakers. Behind the record shelves is an opening to the staircase.

If you've got corners, what about Frugel-horns?

Regards.

Aengus
 
Aengus

Thanks for the input. I already have a set of CSS FR125 drivers in ported boxes so the plan was to re use those drivers.

I dont think the Frugal Horn takes them but I could well be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

Currently the Harveys are looking too big so maybe Metronomes or Bibs could fill the bill, any input is welcome.

John
 
Hi John

You're welcome. The Harvey's are big - my wife's first comment was "I didn't think they'd be that tall", but she likes the sound quite a lot, so that's OK (phew). 😉

You may well be right about the Frugal-horns not working with those drivers - Scott, Dave?

What about the Single Calhoun (or Half Calhoun) for the FR125s? I like the idea of the half-[spawn] group and would like to know how they compare to the 'standard' BVRs. I'm wondering if Scott and Dave could be persuaded to do the dimensions for a version that would suit my FE108Es, now that the Buschorns have become disused.

If Scott would hurry up and draw one, I could likely have them built - given my normal construction speed - in time for VIdiyFest of say, oh, 2012 or so. 😀

Regards.

Aengus.
 
Scottmoose said:
Well now, that is extremely interesting. 1937. I really should have known better than to assume that the stepped expansion was a Japanese-only thing, given the amount of work that was done on horns & their variations in the US during the 1920s - '40s. As ever, many thanks Greg. Both for the historical correction, and for pointing out an interesting piece of reading -I kid thee not, I've never seen this before. I think I'm going to enjoy this.

Time to do a swift re-write for the Spawn intro!

All the best
Scott


harry olson was a very smart man. he made many accomplishments to the radio/broadcast/audio/acoustics industries. a person could get lost just in his accomplishments. and he didn't have any computers or graphics simulations at his disposal! imagine this!
 
Re: Re: Re: Shadow SD12

planet10 said:


Not at all. Shadow was well-simmed in MJK. The SD12 is designed to work well in a small box... just have a look at the recommended sealed & BR enclosures.


dave


not to argue, but i seem to remember an old statement: "There is no substitute for a large box for bass"; and "There is no substitute for good engineering".

while it might work well in a small box, won't work "better" in a big box?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadow SD12

nuconz said:



not to argue, but i seem to remember an old statement: "There is no substitute for a large box for bass"; and "There is no substitute for good engineering".

while it might work well in a small box, won't work "better" in a big box?

I'm not sure where the "old statement(s)" came from, but Dave's used good engineering on this one. I've run some sims on a similar driver and it is fine with a relatively small enclosure.

Here's another old saying to add to the list:

"If a little is good, too much is even better!":whazzat:

Rules of Thumb are OK if you're all thumbs, but with so much cabinet design freeware available, there's no reason to not have a well engineered cabinet of some sort.

Best Regards,
TerryO
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadow SD12

nuconz said:
while it might work well in a small box, won't work "better" in a big box? [/B]

For sealed you don't want to go any bigger than gives you a system Q of 0.5/

You can have problems with too large a bass reflex as well...

You want large try this...

dave
 

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