Hi Randytsuch
we have 3 reviewers listening right now to Rev ver 1.2 PCB
Ver 1.3 is expected from PCB house very shortly . We improved on SQ (not on THD) , and I know since I have added the changes to Rev 1.2 in my own setup
DSD 512 is solid , DSD native in both Linux (you can use any RPI or Usbridge Sig) and windows .
we have 3 reviewers listening right now to Rev ver 1.2 PCB
Ver 1.3 is expected from PCB house very shortly . We improved on SQ (not on THD) , and I know since I have added the changes to Rev 1.2 in my own setup
DSD 512 is solid , DSD native in both Linux (you can use any RPI or Usbridge Sig) and windows .
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A few more words about Rev , I think we have succeeded in removing "digitalis" and bright sound of ess sabre DAC.
We beefed the summing stage with 2x 1000uf Panasonic caps (20mR) and improved a lot on clock (mclk ) noise that seems to lift a veil from music .
Nice,
what about the price?
About the same as USBridge Sig?
Thanks
Matt
Rev 1.3 PCB , changed USB to uUSB ( data input) to allow use , for those of you, that have good USB cables already
Sorry, why uUSB???
All good USB cables have USB-B for the DAC input.
Even USB-C is better than uUSB!!!
Matt
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Sorry due to space no Usb-B.
We are using uUSB for data input only like many DACs ( Chord comes to mind)
uUSB is outdated.
USB-C does not need more space and is much better to use in daily life.
For example Khadas Tone Board and Sonore Tone DAC use USB-C.
Please consider to use USB-C for Revolution.
Revolution deserves to get an up-to-date connection.
Thanks
Matt
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Yes, if you will be using it for test and measurement purposes.
If the intended use is for music playback enjoyment, then Katana with all the power supplies will probably sound best (2x5v and +-15v and film caps on the +-15v rails).
Why? For one thing, there may be more than one possible design solution for making measurements look better, but not all of the possible solutions may sound equally good. That alone is telling. It should come as no surprise that good measurements don't exactly predict good sound quality.
However, audio devices with good sound quality generally tend to measure pretty well. In other words, the statistical correlation between measurements and sound quality is high, but something less than 100%.
subjective is subjective, it's very easy to imagine that something is better than one thing, it's true in fact even for taste( i can point many experiments ) ,there placebo effect in surgery too it's called "sham surgery " so let's leave the subjective part out, than its my humble opinion too, any now that it seems katana being stopped , even this is useless
subjective is subjective, it's very easy to imagine that something is better than one thing, it's true in fact even for taste( i can point many experiments ) ,there placebo effect in surgery too it's called "sham surgery " so let's leave the subjective part out, than its my humble opinion too, any now that it seems katana being stopped , even this is useless
Actually, there are people who listen subjectively at a professional level. The guy who designed the Pass Labs HPA-1 headphone amp, for example. Nelson Pass said, "Jam still has one of the best sets of ears in the business.' and John Curl said that Jam is the only person he would trust to listen for him.
In fact, the Pass HPA-1 was designed by ear and only checked on the AP at the end of design. See what Sterophile has to say if you want: Pass Labs HPA-1 headphone amplifier | Stereophile.com
So I think it is clear that some listeners are skilled enough to act as human test instruments, not the same as an AP, but complementary to it.
Actually, there are people who listen subjectively at a professional level. The guy who designed the Pass Labs HPA-1 headphone amp, for example. Nelson Pass said, "Jam still has one of the best sets of ears in the business.' and John Curl said that Jam is the only person he would trust to listen for him.
In fact, the Pass HPA-1 was designed by ear and only checked on the AP at the end of design. See what Sterophile has to say if you want: Pass Labs HPA-1 headphone amplifier | Stereophile.com
So I think it is clear that some listeners are skilled enough to act as human test instruments, not the same as an AP, but complementary to it.
yes i accept there are only few percentage of individuals who can be as goods as AP in picking up things, that's it. whom to believe for subjective reference is up to the manufacturer who makes things and it's up to the buyer who he believes has good subjective reference, there is going to be a difference of opinion, i am one to believe if you objectively(lets believe its done in good scientific manner) cannot measure significant difference especially in DAC and AMPLIFIER , then it very very very unlikely to be cause of the difference , rather it could be due to speaker, room, psycho acoustics,person,music, and between interaction between all these things, unless you are doing scientifically sound ABX testing, which almost most don't do,
so simply if objectively there is not significant difference between revolution dac and katana with all super 4 power supply , i would choose revolution because of its simplicity and value of cost, i am very sure i don't have goldenear like gentleman you mentioned above ,
Hi Matthias
the majority of good cables for DACs are uUSB and USB type B. We will go ahead with uUSB input for data sorry about that
Seems like you're locked in, but I think a lot of people still use the large USB type B cables for their dacs.
USB B to micro USB adaptor
Would you kindly include a good quality B to micro adaptor pls.
Den
Easily half the people with a good USB cable have the type B plug.the majority of good cables for DACs are uUSB and USB type B. We will go ahead with uUSB input for data sorry about that
Would you kindly include a good quality B to micro adaptor pls.
Den
Only the lower end Chord DACs use uUSB (Mojo and Hugo²). Qutest and above (TT² and Dave) all use USB-B.Sorry due to space no Usb-B.
We are using uUSB for data input only like many DACs ( Chord comes to mind)
It would have been nice to conduct a poll here at diyaudio before settling on a uUSB connector.
I think the majority would have voted for USB-B as DAC input.
I am wondering why space matters so much when the USBridge Sig is so much bigger than a RPi.
Why should then be no place for an USB-B connector on Revolution?
Matt
I think the majority would have voted for USB-B as DAC input.
I am wondering why space matters so much when the USBridge Sig is so much bigger than a RPi.
Why should then be no place for an USB-B connector on Revolution?
Matt
I agree. I had a Chord Mojo that was replaced under warranty due to a failed uUSB connector. Also my phone now has USB-C which is way better than uUSB.It would have been nice to conduct a poll here at diyaudio before settling on a uUSB connector.
I think the majority would have voted for USB-B as DAC input.
I am wondering why space matters so much when the USBridge Sig is so much bigger than a RPi.
Why should then be no place for an USB-B connector on Revolution?
Matt
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