Looks promissing, paper, alnico low Fs...
But high price, which is not exception for alnico full-ranges...
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is it a little bit low Force factor for the alnico topology?
But high price, which is not exception for alnico full-ranges...
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is it a little bit low Force factor for the alnico topology?
Zoran said:is it a little bit low Force factor for the alnico topology? [/B]
Yes. If we consider that F8 has an under-hung coil, relatively long Xlin and relatively long gap, it is clear. I think the optimal loading is back- plus frontloaded horn, so it is possible to realize a nearly 100dB/W single driver loudspeaker.
Just thought I'd post this here..
Seas F8 info posted on Madisound:
http://www.madisound.com/pdf/seas/Exotic_F8-X1 2 .pdf
http://www.madisound.com/new.html
Seas F8 info posted on Madisound:
http://www.madisound.com/pdf/seas/Exotic_F8-X1 2 .pdf
http://www.madisound.com/new.html
any US pricing yet?
Although what we see above in Euro is going to keep some of us away...
thanks
paba
Although what we see above in Euro is going to keep some of us away...
thanks
paba
Nice looking drivers. Saw them at CES a couple of days ago. Projected US price is $800 each! yikes. Alnico magnets are really expensive I guess.
oh boy that is in range of some Lowther models... and when you think what the Fostex F200A costs... either this driver is great or we are paying all the R&D of the exotic series on the first model of the product line...
cheers
paba
cheers
paba
I am intrigued by the price estimate that has been posted....
If the real price of 720Euros($1072) in Europe is correct, and the things are made in Europe then how come they are expected to be $250 cheaper in the states......If that $800 expected price tag is anywhere near reality then the UK customs are going to have a party when the things arrive on the US shelves.
Ed
If the real price of 720Euros($1072) in Europe is correct, and the things are made in Europe then how come they are expected to be $250 cheaper in the states......If that $800 expected price tag is anywhere near reality then the UK customs are going to have a party when the things arrive on the US shelves.
Ed
My understanding is that this is very common- things made in a country are cheaper in the US than in the country they are made in.
Possibly because the US is such a huge, competitive market and possibly because the US has more efficient distribution because we consume so darned much.
In this case it might be because of the weeeeak dollar, they figure that they won't sell any unless they make a bit less profit..
Possibly because the US is such a huge, competitive market and possibly because the US has more efficient distribution because we consume so darned much.
In this case it might be because of the weeeeak dollar, they figure that they won't sell any unless they make a bit less profit..
Now if Wal-Mart would start carrying these plus Fostex, Lowther, AER and Feastrex then we'd really have a major price difference 😀
Dave🙂
Dave🙂
jimluu said:Nice looking drivers. Saw them at CES a couple of days ago. Projected US price is $800 each! yikes. Alnico magnets are really expensive I guess.
Alnico isnt expensive. /I mean not that expensive/ There are Alnico speakers for TV for about 5$
Hi all,
note that there are several flavours of Alnico.... probably with different prices and properties.
But is there a mark-up in the audio applications just because of using Alnico... probably.
http://www.thomas-skinner.com/alnico.htm
cheers
paba
note that there are several flavours of Alnico.... probably with different prices and properties.
But is there a mark-up in the audio applications just because of using Alnico... probably.
http://www.thomas-skinner.com/alnico.htm
cheers
paba
Very interesting paba, and that company is very cool....
As usual, we audiophile guys benefit from other industries that
have more volume / money !
As usual, we audiophile guys benefit from other industries that
have more volume / money !
vitalstates said:I am intrigued by the price estimate that has been posted....
If the real price of 720Euros($1072) in Europe is correct, and the things are made in Europe then how come they are expected to be $250 cheaper in the states......If that $800 expected price tag is anywhere near reality then the UK customs are going to have a party when the things arrive on the US shelves.
Ed
I think it is important to realize that cost and final price don't have, or at least are not necessarily, linearly related. The 'cost' of an item is quite flexible and depends on a lot of things. You may, as a manufacturer, decide to built 80.000 pieces of an item because it is only slightly more expensive then building, say, 50.000 items. Then to recoup your cost and make a profit you need to sell at least 30.000 items at x dollars to the distributor. That means you can play with whatever people will pay for the other 50.000; anything you get for them is profit.
So, if a speaker cost 800 euro's in Germany, that doesn't mean it will cost 1120 dollars in the US. Or vice versa. If you can sell 20.000 in the US, even 600 dollars would make you happy, because you expect to sell 30.000 in europe for 800 euro's to make the projected profit anyway. Such are the ways of economics...
Now, do you understand why accountants make more money than engineers 😉 ?
Jan Didden
To Variac.
Some countries with a dollar on par with the US, such as Australia, have much higher wages than the US and a different pay structure.
Often what you guys call expensive, we find relatively easy to afford.
Some countries with a dollar on par with the US, such as Australia, have much higher wages than the US and a different pay structure.
Often what you guys call expensive, we find relatively easy to afford.
Ok, so I see at least one shop in the USA is asking 930$ USD each, still no sign of this driver in Canada so far.
So if we compare Alnico based drivers of 8-9 inches...
This price puts it at the same level as the Lowther EX2 and DX45, and PHY-HP H21LB15 and 3 times more than the Fostex F200A but then the production quantities of the F200A must be more than all the others mentioned here combined, so hence some economices of scale.
also, like I say above there are many flavours of Alnico.
cheers
paba
So if we compare Alnico based drivers of 8-9 inches...
This price puts it at the same level as the Lowther EX2 and DX45, and PHY-HP H21LB15 and 3 times more than the Fostex F200A but then the production quantities of the F200A must be more than all the others mentioned here combined, so hence some economices of scale.
also, like I say above there are many flavours of Alnico.
cheers
paba
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