Great Don,
I was hoping this would be the case & not have to resort to scalpel to cut anything - is there any pretreatment of the glue that might help loosen it?
Thanks, BTW for answering these Qs - you're a godsend!
I was hoping this would be the case & not have to resort to scalpel to cut anything - is there any pretreatment of the glue that might help loosen it?
Thanks, BTW for answering these Qs - you're a godsend!
Thanks Sreten,
I will try some damp tissue around the dustcap & let it soak for a few hours!
I believe this speaker used a Nomex former that the voice coil was wound around. Does anybody know where I might source one of these or Nomex material to make my own?
I will try some damp tissue around the dustcap & let it soak for a few hours!
I believe this speaker used a Nomex former that the voice coil was wound around. Does anybody know where I might source one of these or Nomex material to make my own?
AMV8 said:I am surprise that your lS3/5a uses the kef driver; I thought your version used the Rogers driver.
Rogers used the B110 just like everyone else. Rogers were the brand we sold.
dave
I'm not sure how's the progress with repairing those woofers but I talked to my friend today (he still didn't have time to dig those LS 3/5 out ;( and he said that even
the 15 Ohm versions were using standard 8 OHM KEF driver that I see pretty much everyday on Ebay . Regards, L
the 15 Ohm versions were using standard 8 OHM KEF driver that I see pretty much everyday on Ebay . Regards, L
Hi Limono,
I'm practising on an old pair of speakers first before I start on the B110s.
I know but look at these ones on eBay at the moment - not a matched pair (look at the pics of the back) & they are currently bid up over £100
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250223876416&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:GB:1123
So there are crazy people out there that seem to bid on any LS3/5A parts without question except "how much to ship to Hong Kong"
I'm practising on an old pair of speakers first before I start on the B110s.
I know but look at these ones on eBay at the moment - not a matched pair (look at the pics of the back) & they are currently bid up over £100
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250223876416&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:GB:1123
So there are crazy people out there that seem to bid on any LS3/5A parts without question except "how much to ship to Hong Kong"
The crossover was rising the impedance to 15 Ohm. The woofers are 8 Ohm. The only thing is that the 15 Ohm period woofers used Bextrene stock that did not lead to the 1.5kHz resonance that was discovered later as the base material changed properties from its mass volume producers. That was fixed later again.
Ah very good Salas,
I did not know that
That explains somewhat the preference for the so called white bellied B110s that I have - these are the Bextrene cones with PVA glue? (white around dustcap).
I did not know that
Bextrene stock that did not lead to the 1.5kHz resonance
That explains somewhat the preference for the so called white bellied B110s that I have - these are the Bextrene cones with PVA glue? (white around dustcap).
Now bid is gone to £120 - I predict over £150 by end (20 mins left) - Crazy price for two unmatched B110 drives!
jkeny said:That explains somewhat the preference for the so called white bellied B110s that I have - these are the Bextrene cones with PVA glue? (white around dustcap).
The old production had that visual characteristic. And coincides chronically with the pre resonance problem era. It may well be explaining the preference. Some others used to say, prefer the bulk and not the individually packeted B110s. Maybe that change coincides chronically with older to newer transition too.
Sorry, I don't understand you here!Originally posted by salas Some others used to say, prefer the bulk and not the individually packeted B110s.
Before the B110s got packed individually in 'constructor series' boxes for the DIY market of the 80s, they used to ship them in bulk on palettes. Some experienced DIYers used to prefer the bulk shipped older drivers for sounding better.
Aha!, you know a lot about the history of the LS3/5As!
My speakers came from a recording studio - so probably one of these bulk drivers rather than a constructors pair. I checked the serial numbers & the inspection QC tag & AFAIR they are late 70's era speakers!
The more I hear about these speakers the more I kick myself!!!!!!
My speakers came from a recording studio - so probably one of these bulk drivers rather than a constructors pair. I checked the serial numbers & the inspection QC tag & AFAIR they are late 70's era speakers!
The more I hear about these speakers the more I kick myself!!!!!!
Those 2 UK companies that used to take burned B110s apart and put new voice coils in, did not respond to your emails?
Michael Noble from RAtechnologies does recone/repair but the price is too steep for me £120 per drive plus shipping plus VAT @ 17.5%.
Just too costly for me - over £300 (400 euro or $700)
Edit: Stirling broadcast do not repair anymore, stating that since the price madness happened with these speakers parts also became overpriced - I agree
Just too costly for me - over £300 (400 euro or $700)
Edit: Stirling broadcast do not repair anymore, stating that since the price madness happened with these speakers parts also became overpriced - I agree
In their defense they say it's a difficult job taking about 4 hours work, which is just £30 per hour and they also state that there are no spare parts available anywhere in the world so everything has to be recovered from the speaker and the recovered voice coil put on a new Nomex former which they supply!
Michael is a gentleman, based on my emails, & I would have been happy to do business with him but I just am a skinflint, I guess!
Michael is a gentleman, based on my emails, & I would have been happy to do business with him but I just am a skinflint, I guess!
I wish you all luck. Be careful so to get the to the original voice coil mass at least.
PS
How much would he charge if you sent em your VCs for winding and put em back yourself?
PS
How much would he charge if you sent em your VCs for winding and put em back yourself?
Hmmm, I didn't think of that, I did ask if he knew of anywhere I could get a small amount of Nomex to wind my own former - he may be sending me some, I'm not sure!
So that's why I think he's a gentleman.
I'll go to the stage of taking the whole lot apart & if it's problematic to get the voice coil (which seems OK as both measure 6.6 ohms with a multimeter) onto a new former, I might follow this up with him.
I tested the cones by hand - one moves in & out with a scraping noise but other seems pretty stuck so I don't want to force it. I'm hoping that this means it's just the former that's distorted with heat from the DC in the voicecoil!
I was also hoping that the voicecoils might come off the formers as one cylindrical coil & I can fit this to a new former but this is all conjecture until I get in there!
So that's why I think he's a gentleman.
I'll go to the stage of taking the whole lot apart & if it's problematic to get the voice coil (which seems OK as both measure 6.6 ohms with a multimeter) onto a new former, I might follow this up with him.
I tested the cones by hand - one moves in & out with a scraping noise but other seems pretty stuck so I don't want to force it. I'm hoping that this means it's just the former that's distorted with heat from the DC in the voicecoil!
I was also hoping that the voicecoils might come off the formers as one cylindrical coil & I can fit this to a new former but this is all conjecture until I get in there!
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