Guys,
I dont even care anymore. I heard the difference clearly and repeated it by putting the original metalfilm resistors back to check. If for some this is nonsense so be it, i couldnt care less. Just finished rebuilding another amp so at this moment I dont even use that other little amp anymore. If I had known in advance my question would turn into a crap throwing contest I wouldnt have bothered asking.
I dont even care anymore. I heard the difference clearly and repeated it by putting the original metalfilm resistors back to check. If for some this is nonsense so be it, i couldnt care less. Just finished rebuilding another amp so at this moment I dont even use that other little amp anymore. If I had known in advance my question would turn into a crap throwing contest I wouldnt have bothered asking.
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Hi,
A totally unaccepted method on this forum really. Shame on you.😀
Let it run. You've been misunderstood from the get go but look at what you learned from it.🙂
a) Audiophiles prefer components with the highest distortion. WOW!
b) Soldering skills make all the difference. (Sorry folks but in my entire life I know of only one person who can actually solder and it isn't me)
c) Audio Note's M9 uses phenolic boards not wooden boards.
d) A vol ctrl in between stages more often than not acts as a tone control of some sorts. Short of a proper schematic, all bets are off.
e) Higher wattage resistors for grid leak resistors? Really?
100W resistors in a passive XO for a VOTT which quite likely can be driven to ear shattering levels by a 1W amp? Really?
f) A cap is a cap and a resistor is a resistor. I wish.
g) And why is A.J. vanden Hul using carbon as a conductor in the first place?
Could go on ad nauseam but who cares?
Maybe now is the right time to put some brains into that Tesla coil and fry them for good...?? 😱
What a hopeless thread this is.
Next time I suggest TS puts up a schematic and the ones that "ne fument pas la moquette" may solve the mantra in a post or two?
Ciao, 😉
A totally unaccepted method on this forum really. Shame on you.😀
Let it run. You've been misunderstood from the get go but look at what you learned from it.🙂
a) Audiophiles prefer components with the highest distortion. WOW!
b) Soldering skills make all the difference. (Sorry folks but in my entire life I know of only one person who can actually solder and it isn't me)
c) Audio Note's M9 uses phenolic boards not wooden boards.
d) A vol ctrl in between stages more often than not acts as a tone control of some sorts. Short of a proper schematic, all bets are off.
e) Higher wattage resistors for grid leak resistors? Really?
100W resistors in a passive XO for a VOTT which quite likely can be driven to ear shattering levels by a 1W amp? Really?
f) A cap is a cap and a resistor is a resistor. I wish.
g) And why is A.J. vanden Hul using carbon as a conductor in the first place?
Could go on ad nauseam but who cares?
Maybe now is the right time to put some brains into that Tesla coil and fry them for good...?? 😱
What a hopeless thread this is.
Next time I suggest TS puts up a schematic and the ones that "ne fument pas la moquette" may solve the mantra in a post or two?
Ciao, 😉
e) YES , twice really because :
f) A cap is never a cap nor a resistor 😀
et je ne fume pas la moquette 😛
The fact that you like what you hear is interesting..
The type of resistor and the sound you like is a personal preference..
However you have to remember that this is an audio community..ie we are all nuts..😀
Do resistors have a sound..I think they do..
Regards
M. Gregg
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When I drop a resistor, I am certain I hear it.
Since only I have heard it, does that mean it is only my opinion and thus carries no weight in the engineering community?
If I did not hear it, does that mean I did not drop it? Or that I have gone deaf, or it was an awfully deep hole, or that some other audiophile convinced me I did not hear it, it was all in my imagination?
Since only I have heard it, does that mean it is only my opinion and thus carries no weight in the engineering community?
If I did not hear it, does that mean I did not drop it? Or that I have gone deaf, or it was an awfully deep hole, or that some other audiophile convinced me I did not hear it, it was all in my imagination?
It's like when you're holding a bottle of beer in your hand, about to have a sip, when suddenly you notice the boyfriend of the girl you're talking to walking towards you and you reflexively open your hand and mouth and a moment later the bottle of beer you were holding hits the floor and breaks but you don't notice because you now have a fist wedged in your mouth.
The first part is true..
When you hear it hit the floor etc the sound you hear is in your head..it does not exist..😀
If only you hear it does it have any weight in the engineering community, no..unless it can be proven.
If others hear it how do you know they hear the same thing you do?
Nice one but its not that easy..😀
Reference..the "sound of resistors"...perhaps it should be a belief of the electrical properties of resistors having an effect on sound reproduction.
Its interesting that when I build control circuits this has little relevance..so an amplifier is a control circuit...the only difference is the speaker on the output..
Now there is an interesting thought..does the speaker sensitivity have an effect on hearing it..or is the effect a distortion of the signal that can be heard..or then again perhaps there is nothing to be heard..
Regards
M. Gregg
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One thing I do know is,
people that think they have heard a sound change with components do not understand why others have not heard it..
That's the interesting bit..Quatermass and the pit<<only some were affected..LOL
It just won't go away will it?
http://www.sasaudiolabs.com/resistor.htm
I guess its mass hysteria..
Regards
M. Gregg
people that think they have heard a sound change with components do not understand why others have not heard it..
That's the interesting bit..Quatermass and the pit<<only some were affected..LOL
It just won't go away will it?
http://www.sasaudiolabs.com/resistor.htm
I guess its mass hysteria..
Regards
M. Gregg
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If thats true, lets all sell our high end tube gear and switch to Chinese tubes amps build from cheap parts, since as you so elegantly put it, its all in our heads, those parts sound exactly the same as the high end parts.
Damn, thats the best news i've heard all week!
Damn, thats the best news i've heard all week!
It's a bit like religion, really. Face the facts; the plots that Simon7000 presented are a good example. There is absolutely nothing there to support the idea that there is anything that could actually be heard as different between the two resistors. Home audio is simple low-level stuff. If the difference can't be properly measured with high accuracy instruments, then it isn't there. I'm not saying that one can't enjoy oneself building nice tube amplifiers, and indeed I do that myself. But it isn't cutting-edge technology and there aren't deep mysteries hidden in which kind of resistor, or which kind of wire, is used.
Chris
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Hi,
They copy (visually) without deeper understanding of the device's working.
The bad news is, and it may well be politically related, is that 20 so years ago no one in Western Europe wanted anything made in Eastern Europe.
Nowadays I regret I didn't buy more Tesla valves...
RFT is another story, there was good and definitely cheap junk but their EL34's aren't all that bad. Tesla's were great though, made them for Mullard and Siemens.
EI's were top as well (they also manufactured an awful lot of the Siemens valves)
Anyway, bygones (mostly).
Ciao, 😉
They copy (visually) without deeper understanding of the device's working.
The bad news is, and it may well be politically related, is that 20 so years ago no one in Western Europe wanted anything made in Eastern Europe.
Nowadays I regret I didn't buy more Tesla valves...
RFT is another story, there was good and definitely cheap junk but their EL34's aren't all that bad. Tesla's were great though, made them for Mullard and Siemens.
EI's were top as well (they also manufactured an awful lot of the Siemens valves)
Anyway, bygones (mostly).
Ciao, 😉
Hi,
Do instruments come with a pair of ears and a brain?
To put things in perspective; does anyone out there actually bother to measure components that are reported to sound better than others and report back?
Didn't think so.
Regardless. Wouldn't you expect that by now (anno 2014 no less) all amplifiers that would measure the same would also sound the same (on the same LS)?
There must be something seriously wrong with our brains...
Ciao, 😉
Do instruments come with a pair of ears and a brain?
To put things in perspective; does anyone out there actually bother to measure components that are reported to sound better than others and report back?
Didn't think so.
Regardless. Wouldn't you expect that by now (anno 2014 no less) all amplifiers that would measure the same would also sound the same (on the same LS)?
There must be something seriously wrong with our brains...
Ciao, 😉
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