You can sign me up for a pair, that price is just too good to pass.
Thanks for arranging this Chris
🙂
Thanks for arranging this Chris
🙂
You're welcome. Listen up PinkMouse
Chalk it up to I'm a new dad, wanted the tweeters, and couldn't swing retail. After I got the price sheet from RAAL, it occured to me that maybe others would want them.
Right now I'm listening to an Audax PR170MO and a pair of JBL 123-a's on an open baffle and it is AWESOME!
C
Chalk it up to I'm a new dad, wanted the tweeters, and couldn't swing retail. After I got the price sheet from RAAL, it occured to me that maybe others would want them.
Right now I'm listening to an Audax PR170MO and a pair of JBL 123-a's on an open baffle and it is AWESOME!
C
I am interested in a pair too,
but only if there will be a "european group". It makes no sense for me to pay double shipping and double taxes if you first import the drivers too the States and than back to Europe.
Best regards,
Boris
but only if there will be a "european group". It makes no sense for me to pay double shipping and double taxes if you first import the drivers too the States and than back to Europe.
Best regards,
Boris
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Guys,
You really won't be disappointed with the 140-15d. I've been using for a few months now and its just something else for high frequencies. If your used to a dome tweeter then be prepared for a shock. For the first time you'll hear dynamics in the high frequencies. I had much prized Scanspeak R2904 ring radiators before this and I think they sound broken in comparison.
Very natural tweeters.
And yes I broke one whilst taking it apart to modify the front mounting plate. Alex sent a replacement ribbon I had it fitted within a half hour as its all self centring.
They also durable for a ribbon and can withstand peaks of 120dB without issue using a 1.6Khz/4th order XO.
Good look chaps and enjoy!
You really won't be disappointed with the 140-15d. I've been using for a few months now and its just something else for high frequencies. If your used to a dome tweeter then be prepared for a shock. For the first time you'll hear dynamics in the high frequencies. I had much prized Scanspeak R2904 ring radiators before this and I think they sound broken in comparison.
Very natural tweeters.
And yes I broke one whilst taking it apart to modify the front mounting plate. Alex sent a replacement ribbon I had it fitted within a half hour as its all self centring.
They also durable for a ribbon and can withstand peaks of 120dB without issue using a 1.6Khz/4th order XO.
Good look chaps and enjoy!
One of the forum members in your LGT Construction Diary thread mentioned that a revealing driver would sound conflicting when paired with this tweeter. Do you find that to be the case? I'm not sure if you've used a metal cone with these tweeters, but surely you have used a metal/ceramic cone before in one of your designs. Do you think one of these drivers would be at fault paired with the Raal?
Thanks for your time
Thanks for your time
Hi
As one of my own small quirks I tend to avoid using stiff cones. Out of all the projects I've built only one settled with a stiff cone and that was a Vistaton ti100. I have tried drivers such as the Seas Excel and Alu prestige but always swapped these out for more well damped materials such as paper in particular.
For the LGT's I only had one set of drivers and made no swaps or changes once I'd bought them which was refreshing. So no I can't really offer much of an opinion on the RAAL with Accuton or similar drivers. One forum member did offer an opinion to this effect and quite strongly suggested against it in his experience
The RAAL is strikingly neutral and dynamic so anything with a similar character *should* work well. The audiotechnology driver I'm using in the LGT are well matched and entirely seemless to my ears, even with concentrated effort to pick out discontinuties.
As one of my own small quirks I tend to avoid using stiff cones. Out of all the projects I've built only one settled with a stiff cone and that was a Vistaton ti100. I have tried drivers such as the Seas Excel and Alu prestige but always swapped these out for more well damped materials such as paper in particular.
For the LGT's I only had one set of drivers and made no swaps or changes once I'd bought them which was refreshing. So no I can't really offer much of an opinion on the RAAL with Accuton or similar drivers. One forum member did offer an opinion to this effect and quite strongly suggested against it in his experience
The RAAL is strikingly neutral and dynamic so anything with a similar character *should* work well. The audiotechnology driver I'm using in the LGT are well matched and entirely seemless to my ears, even with concentrated effort to pick out discontinuties.
Compared to Raven?
Shinobiwan,
Did you ever compare the Raal to a Raven? I have the Raven R2 and I'm happy with it only excepting that I wish it had broader vertical radiation. There certainly is a sweet spot vertcaly with these. I have it mated to a PHL1120 and like that combo. Just wondering how the vertcal directivity compares. Has anyone seen or heard the new Raven Point Source as shown over at E-Speakers?
Shinobiwan,
Did you ever compare the Raal to a Raven? I have the Raven R2 and I'm happy with it only excepting that I wish it had broader vertical radiation. There certainly is a sweet spot vertcaly with these. I have it mated to a PHL1120 and like that combo. Just wondering how the vertcal directivity compares. Has anyone seen or heard the new Raven Point Source as shown over at E-Speakers?
Dispertion on the RAAL is noticeably better. You can remove the pads so this can be easily demonstrated.
It will be better than the Raven but will it be enough? I can't say but you definitely don't need to be sat directly at ear level with it to still get all the air.
Its still a weak point in the design but it does the rest so well that I find it difficult to accept other alternatives just for the sake of this trait.
It will be better than the Raven but will it be enough? I can't say but you definitely don't need to be sat directly at ear level with it to still get all the air.
Its still a weak point in the design but it does the rest so well that I find it difficult to accept other alternatives just for the sake of this trait.
Sign me up for a pair of 140-15D's too!
I'm hoping that RAAL may be able to collect payment and ship direct to each buyer - otherwise we need to find a very trustworthy member to handle the distribution and funds.
Cheers,
Len.
I'm hoping that RAAL may be able to collect payment and ship direct to each buyer - otherwise we need to find a very trustworthy member to handle the distribution and funds.
Cheers,
Len.
Update
All,
I talked to Alex of Raal at Burning Amp today about doing a group buy. There are several reasons for why a DIY group buy is not a good idea for his business. He said he does not do them with DIY'ers but would entertain the idea under the following conditions:
-Pricing would not be OEM, but 25% off of retail
-Shipping and money are handled by one individual, meaning one point of cantact and one point of shipping for Raal
-Cannot sell or ship to anyone who lives in a country with a Raal dealer as this causes problems with the existing dealer/distribution network...Canada, Germany, Hungary, and there may be others I'm not aware of.
At 25 off, I can't afford them. On the bright side, this thread has highlighted a lot of very interested people in his fabulous ribbon loudspeakers. The best way for this to continue is for smaller groups within different countries to organize so that you can have a lower price and not deal with all of the shipping hassles.
Though I won't be purchasing any, I am still happy to organize a US based group buy if anyone is interested in that. Shipping for the whole order will be paid by everyone involved, and it will probably be shipped by boat as Air freight from Serbia is ridiculous!
Thanks for all of your interest and participation,
C
All,
I talked to Alex of Raal at Burning Amp today about doing a group buy. There are several reasons for why a DIY group buy is not a good idea for his business. He said he does not do them with DIY'ers but would entertain the idea under the following conditions:
-Pricing would not be OEM, but 25% off of retail
-Shipping and money are handled by one individual, meaning one point of cantact and one point of shipping for Raal
-Cannot sell or ship to anyone who lives in a country with a Raal dealer as this causes problems with the existing dealer/distribution network...Canada, Germany, Hungary, and there may be others I'm not aware of.
At 25 off, I can't afford them. On the bright side, this thread has highlighted a lot of very interested people in his fabulous ribbon loudspeakers. The best way for this to continue is for smaller groups within different countries to organize so that you can have a lower price and not deal with all of the shipping hassles.
Though I won't be purchasing any, I am still happy to organize a US based group buy if anyone is interested in that. Shipping for the whole order will be paid by everyone involved, and it will probably be shipped by boat as Air freight from Serbia is ridiculous!
Thanks for all of your interest and participation,
C
Update
I'm still in for a pair. Even though not as sweet a deal,
this still save about $400 over purchasing a pair from
Solen in Canada.
John
I'm still in for a pair. Even though not as sweet a deal,
this still save about $400 over purchasing a pair from
Solen in Canada.
John
I am still in, but Alex has to be kidding if he does not consider quantity when determining price.
By the way, RAAL sounded great today at burningamp.
By the way, RAAL sounded great today at burningamp.
? for Shin...and about quantities
Now that you have two other speaker systems under your belt using different cone material, what do you think about the midrange from the Ti-100 used in 3 different versions of your first project? I have a pair of them and though they aren't the BEST mid I have ever heard, they are astonishingly good for the $.
As far as buying and producing in quantities, manufacturers always consider this. The thing is, the size of the order isn't the only issue at hand. I think I'll leave it at that and say that if a company builds a product that needs NO support, they have doubled their profit.
Please be happy about 25 off as it is a killer deal.
C
Now that you have two other speaker systems under your belt using different cone material, what do you think about the midrange from the Ti-100 used in 3 different versions of your first project? I have a pair of them and though they aren't the BEST mid I have ever heard, they are astonishingly good for the $.
As far as buying and producing in quantities, manufacturers always consider this. The thing is, the size of the order isn't the only issue at hand. I think I'll leave it at that and say that if a company builds a product that needs NO support, they have doubled their profit.
Please be happy about 25 off as it is a killer deal.
C
Chris
I'm afraid Alex doesn't want to sell to us.
His conditions are simply discouraging, because ridicolous.
He wants the advantages of a group buy (no risks with money collecting and delivery of single 25 sells), but no discount.
25% off from an official price list (usually optimistic) is what makes every shop for just one pair! For istance, Solen sells at 480$ while list price is 550$
So we have a 25% off 550$? What you save just covers high individual delivery costs from Serbia, instead of ordinary delivery costs from a retailer.
For Alex business 50+ pieces at 218$ (153€) is the honest price without discount: this is in his price list.
Alex's message is that we have to pay twice the price. 2x200=400$ more, for each of us, because he has had positive reviews.
I'm afraid Alex doesn't want to sell to us.
His conditions are simply discouraging, because ridicolous.
He wants the advantages of a group buy (no risks with money collecting and delivery of single 25 sells), but no discount.
25% off from an official price list (usually optimistic) is what makes every shop for just one pair! For istance, Solen sells at 480$ while list price is 550$
So we have a 25% off 550$? What you save just covers high individual delivery costs from Serbia, instead of ordinary delivery costs from a retailer.
For Alex business 50+ pieces at 218$ (153€) is the honest price without discount: this is in his price list.
Alex's message is that we have to pay twice the price. 2x200=400$ more, for each of us, because he has had positive reviews.
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