As is often the case, Marce knows the knowledge bank,
A quick perusal seems to indicate, to me, that silver plating would be good for a cable clamping system and that this would be compatible with silver plated cable strands.
Spades could also be silver plated and clamped between silver plated contact surfaces.
Would brass be a good substrate?
Would a steel bolt/screw through a steel nut be a suitable clamp force mechanism for the brass clamp?
A quick perusal seems to indicate, to me, that silver plating would be good for a cable clamping system and that this would be compatible with silver plated cable strands.
Spades could also be silver plated and clamped between silver plated contact surfaces.
Would brass be a good substrate?
Would a steel bolt/screw through a steel nut be a suitable clamp force mechanism for the brass clamp?
Ponoma (a Fluke subsidiary) makes very good quality tellurium copper binding posts (Mouser 565-3770-0 and 565-3770-2) with very reasonable price. At this price, I would not use nothing less.
That's great, thanks very much for that post.
Here is a guide to wiring and such like that MAY get audiophile approval, it was written by rocket scientists🙂
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/codeq/doctree/87394.pdf
A really enligthnening read, thanks 🙂
I've found interesting info:
- Tin plated cables and connectors crimping is prohibited, such parts should be soldered.
- The portion of stranded wires that will eventually become a part of the finished solder connection shall be coated with tin-lead solder and cleaned prior to attachment
- Shielding practices and acceptable use of floating shield
That's great, thanks very much for that post.
You're welcome. 🙂
how would silver plating perform?
In theory silver plating will conduct better than gold one and its oxide is still conductive.
Subjectively I don't like much the sound of silver plated copper, it tends to higlight high frequency content, IMHO.
Some consider silver plated copper a superior conductor for digital transmission but I don't have any opinion on it.
BTW Andrew... I LOVE your signature 🙂
Scottish humor? 😉
I've found interesting info:
- Tin plated cables and connectors crimping is prohibited, such parts should be soldered.
- The portion of stranded wires that will eventually become a part of the finished solder connection shall be coated with tin-lead solder and cleaned prior to attachment
Aren't those both still taught as basic skills?
So how is your average government educated electron supposed to know which way to swim on clockwise or counter-clockwise threads? 😉
Eichmann is the one with no conductive threads on the speaker posts. WBT does use metal threads on speaker posts, but not on their Nexgen RCAs. Both company's ads for threadless connectors suggest that threads are negative. I personally do like Nexgen RCA connectors, but I think it's more due to low mass, high copper design.
Good point - just what are the parasitics we are concerned with?
Resistance from less contact area than the connected conductors.
Resistance from less conductive metals used in the post/plating.
Resistance from corrosion in the contact area.
Micro-arcing from surface irregularities, ala Lightspeed attennuator?
Using counter-clockwise threads north of the equator?
Hard clamping will enhance the conductivity of course, but there will always be some gaps between the contact surfaces.
Contact enhancers fill the gaps with high dielectric oil which stops the arcs and corrosion. Or that silver pudding goo to fill gaps with silver and oil. I think silver swimming in strongly dielectric oil is not as conductive as they would like us to believe, although maybe better than just oil, or nothing.
Biwire posts have 3x the temporary contacts as single pair posts because of the jumpers contacts. So any penalty from using posts should be even more audible.
Can you point me to those statements? I've tried to find them with no luck.
Eichmann is the one with no conductive threads on the speaker posts. WBT does use metal threads on speaker posts, but not on their Nexgen RCAs. Both company's ads for threadless connectors suggest that threads are negative. I personally do like Nexgen RCA connectors, but I think it's more due to low mass, high copper design.
On speakers would the slight extra parasitics added by the connector have any influence on the sound... especially if you have a crossover in the speaker.
looking round further there seems to be some "views" on connectors...Hmmmm!
Good point - just what are the parasitics we are concerned with?
Resistance from less contact area than the connected conductors.
Resistance from less conductive metals used in the post/plating.
Resistance from corrosion in the contact area.
Micro-arcing from surface irregularities, ala Lightspeed attennuator?
Using counter-clockwise threads north of the equator?

Hard clamping will enhance the conductivity of course, but there will always be some gaps between the contact surfaces.
Contact enhancers fill the gaps with high dielectric oil which stops the arcs and corrosion. Or that silver pudding goo to fill gaps with silver and oil. I think silver swimming in strongly dielectric oil is not as conductive as they would like us to believe, although maybe better than just oil, or nothing.
Biwire posts have 3x the temporary contacts as single pair posts because of the jumpers contacts. So any penalty from using posts should be even more audible.
That is weapons-grade stupid.
Just like this conversation once it passed the point of mechanical integrity.
Just like this conversation once it passed the point of mechanical integrity.
Admit it, the "low mass" thing made you chuckle.
Just a bit.
Funnier is how is the OP going to decide what to do.... is he going to count posts "for" and "against" metallurgy and say "metallurgy matters because the majority of posters think so"?
That would be democratizing science in the worst way.... not that there are any better ways really....
Funnier is how is the OP going to decide what to do.... is he going to count posts "for" and "against" metallurgy and say "metallurgy matters because the majority of posters think so"?
That would be democratizing science in the worst way.... not that there are any better ways really....
Can you try to scrap plating from a zone that you will solder later?
They are solderless - and I don't really care if its brass or copper
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They are very hard, so pure copper is definately not true
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They are very hard, so pure copper is definately not true
Eichmann is the one with no conductive threads on the speaker posts. WBT does use metal threads on speaker posts, but not on their Nexgen RCAs. Both company's ads for threadless connectors suggest that threads are negative. I personally do like Nexgen RCA connectors, but I think it's more due to low mass, high copper design.
I've searched also on ETI (Eichmann) website and can't find any statement against metal threads...
IMHO the only reason they use plastic for the threaded part is to reduce metal mass.
In fact ETI phono pods have threaded metallic outer shell.
BTW I never liked the way ETI markets their products, there's always a 'woodoo' like way of presenting things...
They are solderless - and I don't really care if its brass or copper
OK, thanks anyway.
He would certainly be badly served if he were guided by the smugness coefficient.
I disagree, there have been sensible comments and guides on what is important for forming a connection to a wire from a component, this is critical in all areas of electronics and in some it becomes life/mission critical, so there is a whole lot of information out there on how to do it... I thought the NASA guide appropriate as 'Rocket Science' is an oft used phrase in some esoteric audiophile marketing... But you have to remember what often goes for space electronics doesn't always apply on planet earth... we don't have to face such an extreme environment or the vibration of take off....
But then who's going to listen to me I've used these in the past with great results...
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BTW I never liked the way ETI markets their products, there's always a 'woodoo' like way of presenting things...
To me this is voodoo
While good quality (high copper content) brass sounds really good, pure copper sounds fuller, more focused with a blacker background. 😉
But then who's going to listen to me I've used these in the past with great results...
Chocbox | Junction Boxes | Screwfix.com
😀
And how many power amplifiers use screw terminals to get off the pcb? Look in any factory (high temp, vibration etc) and there are thousands of harting connectors and they seem to work well enough.
From your inference it would appear that you consider yourself to be a rather smug individual.I disagree, there have been sensible comments and guides on what is important for forming a connection to a wire from a component, this is critical in all areas of electronics and in some it becomes life/mission critical, so there is a whole lot of information out there on how to do it... I thought the NASA guide appropriate as 'Rocket Science' is an oft used phrase in some esoteric audiophile marketing... But you have to remember what often goes for space electronics doesn't always apply on planet earth... we don't have to face such an extreme environment or the vibration of take off....
From your inference it would appear that you consider yourself to be a rather smug individual.
No, Marce is what one would call 'experienced'. There is a big difference (about 30 years).
To me this is voodoo
While good quality (high copper content) brass sounds really good, pure copper sounds fuller, more focused with a blacker background. 😉
No, it's simply a description of what I hear using different metals/metal alloys.
I'm not selling anything and I'm not pretending that anyone trust me blindly, simply try if it works for you too, if you want.
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