I'm going to send them your PDF files and see what they say. I suspect that it's all done with water jet ,so it's just like a plotter. I'll post details.
Jorge
Hi all,
Sorry to resurrect such an old thread, but I wanted to show my appreciation and respect to XRK as the designer of the Trynergy.
I knocked up a pair in foam core a few months ago and they sounded so good that I immediately started a build in ply. They are now complete (after a fashion, my woodworking skills are not great).
They sound incredible already, with a lot of work still to go on dsp and amplification (I don't yet have measuring equipment).
The amateur look and lack of data prevents me posting a full build thread, but I wanted to say how much I appreciate the hard work that went into the design. They are truly great speakers, thankyou for sharing. Also thanks to others from here (Kees, Patrick Bateman, Bwaslo and many others) who helped inspire me on my own journey, or simply provided incredible expertise, experience, interesting arguments, questions, theories and ideas along the way.
This place (DIYaudio) has provided inspiration and no little wonder to me over the course of a personally and professionally challenging few months, and for that I thank you all. Sharing freely gets to the core of what it means to me to be a human; progress only comes from standing on the shoulders of giants (I'm at about ankle height tbf). The rabbithole is deeper than I imagined and I'm far enough in to know how little I truly understand. I am ashamed at how little i can contribute in return - maybe in 20 years ;-)
Here are some pics and a short vid, if I've managed to successfully attach them.
View attachment Adele short sd.mp4
All the best, jonsnotmad
Sorry to resurrect such an old thread, but I wanted to show my appreciation and respect to XRK as the designer of the Trynergy.
I knocked up a pair in foam core a few months ago and they sounded so good that I immediately started a build in ply. They are now complete (after a fashion, my woodworking skills are not great).
They sound incredible already, with a lot of work still to go on dsp and amplification (I don't yet have measuring equipment).
The amateur look and lack of data prevents me posting a full build thread, but I wanted to say how much I appreciate the hard work that went into the design. They are truly great speakers, thankyou for sharing. Also thanks to others from here (Kees, Patrick Bateman, Bwaslo and many others) who helped inspire me on my own journey, or simply provided incredible expertise, experience, interesting arguments, questions, theories and ideas along the way.
This place (DIYaudio) has provided inspiration and no little wonder to me over the course of a personally and professionally challenging few months, and for that I thank you all. Sharing freely gets to the core of what it means to me to be a human; progress only comes from standing on the shoulders of giants (I'm at about ankle height tbf). The rabbithole is deeper than I imagined and I'm far enough in to know how little I truly understand. I am ashamed at how little i can contribute in return - maybe in 20 years ;-)
Here are some pics and a short vid, if I've managed to successfully attach them.
View attachment Adele short sd.mp4
All the best, jonsnotmad
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Hi Jonsnotmad,
Thanks for giving this speaker a try! It is one of the best speakers I have ever heard actually. It has been such a long time since I last looked at this thread that I did not realize that the moderators had moved it from the Fullrange forum over to Multi-way. It really is a FAST design and I thought FAST was Fullrange forum. In any event, glad you found it and decided to give it a go. I applaud you on your determination because it is not an easy speaker to make.
Thanks for sharing.
X
Thanks for giving this speaker a try! It is one of the best speakers I have ever heard actually. It has been such a long time since I last looked at this thread that I did not realize that the moderators had moved it from the Fullrange forum over to Multi-way. It really is a FAST design and I thought FAST was Fullrange forum. In any event, glad you found it and decided to give it a go. I applaud you on your determination because it is not an easy speaker to make.
Thanks for sharing.
X
Thanks, XRK.
I realised there's no photo of the almost finished speakers:
indeed, making them was far beyond my woodworking skills when I started - much actual blood, sweat and tears included in the finished speaker.
The interesting spiky finish on the left is where I used rather too much expanding foam to reduce resonance in the bendy plywood horn walls. It worked well, but i've only done one so far.
I realised there's no photo of the almost finished speakers:
indeed, making them was far beyond my woodworking skills when I started - much actual blood, sweat and tears included in the finished speaker.
The interesting spiky finish on the left is where I used rather too much expanding foam to reduce resonance in the bendy plywood horn walls. It worked well, but i've only done one so far.
Good idea to use expanding foam. The orange color looks great, btw.
What drivers are you using? Also, are you using miniDSP to actively control the crossover filters?
Be careful with sound levels. These are so clean sounding you don’t realize how loud they are until after a few sweeps your ears are ringing like you went to a live concert and stood in the front rows. I wear earplugs when testing horns now.
As I recall, the sims predicted 40um of cone movement for 100dB at 1m. That’s why the distortion is so low.
What drivers are you using? Also, are you using miniDSP to actively control the crossover filters?
Be careful with sound levels. These are so clean sounding you don’t realize how loud they are until after a few sweeps your ears are ringing like you went to a live concert and stood in the front rows. I wear earplugs when testing horns now.
As I recall, the sims predicted 40um of cone movement for 100dB at 1m. That’s why the distortion is so low.
This is using the TC9's and the buyout woofers. I'm knocking up some more 'lounge friendly' speakers at the moment so contemplating the faital fe22s so i can compare, either will work fine in the new speakers.
I'm running mini DSP, but just working with your suggestions from the original thread at the moment regards crossover until i manage to get a measurement mic. I was struggling getting enough out of the woofers using 2 tpa 3116 boards so i got an old technics amp for 20 quid off ebay and that's working a lot better.
I've spent the day today mounting them in the corners at the ceiling of my listening room but not had a chance to run them yet.
They are ridiculously loud and clean sounding, like a really good soundsystem. Advice noted about the earplugs
I'm running mini DSP, but just working with your suggestions from the original thread at the moment regards crossover until i manage to get a measurement mic. I was struggling getting enough out of the woofers using 2 tpa 3116 boards so i got an old technics amp for 20 quid off ebay and that's working a lot better.
I've spent the day today mounting them in the corners at the ceiling of my listening room but not had a chance to run them yet.
They are ridiculously loud and clean sounding, like a really good soundsystem. Advice noted about the earplugs
Old Japanese Class AB amps are great finds actually. They do sound better than TPA3116 for driving bass as Class D from a little microhip amp just doesn't carry the raw amperage needed for great bass authority. Sounds like you are in UK - how are you able to get the $5 Dayton buyout 6.5in polycone woofers?
yes, so cheap as well. Can be used as a pre-amp, power or intregrated. It also has lots of headroom on the volume compared to the tpa on the tc9s which allows me to adjust the bass even if the dsp is not hooked up to the laptop.
i'm currently deciding which class d modules to use to constuct a more appropriate multi-channel amp for this setup (spiralling down the rabbit hole ;-)).
I got the woofers from parts express - at 40 dollars plus 50 for shipping it was still way less than i found any comparable drivers for in the uk. I got the TC9s here for 12 GBP each including shipping, so driver cost was less than 100 gbp for both speakers even with the USA shipping costs!
i'm currently deciding which class d modules to use to constuct a more appropriate multi-channel amp for this setup (spiralling down the rabbit hole ;-)).
I got the woofers from parts express - at 40 dollars plus 50 for shipping it was still way less than i found any comparable drivers for in the uk. I got the TC9s here for 12 GBP each including shipping, so driver cost was less than 100 gbp for both speakers even with the USA shipping costs!
for the full range channel, i was looking at that exact icepower or the sure AA 32313
for the woofers, maybe 2 mono irs2092.
I'm vacillating over the choice mainly because i know next to nothing about amplification and vaguely expect to electrocute myself at some point.
I currently have an active pa sub (sealed box) which is taking on the sub-100hz duties but will probably build a new one in due course.
for the woofers, maybe 2 mono irs2092.
I'm vacillating over the choice mainly because i know next to nothing about amplification and vaguely expect to electrocute myself at some point.
I currently have an active pa sub (sealed box) which is taking on the sub-100hz duties but will probably build a new one in due course.
Looks a little like mine, but because of trouble in mine live, just not yet time to start going on, but I am almost ready with these troubles, yes X you now
and hope I can get peace now.Looks nice that horn, I did make some clamps and make the horn flare with it by pressing some sheets of 3 mm thick with glue.
regards
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i only just realised this and am erring towards icepower for that very reason.
can the board on the 200 asp power additional boards without their own power supplies? i was outbid on a 1000ASP on ebay the other day which can.
Yeah (200ASC), but the amp has to match. The board you'd need to get to do that would like a 200AC. I've never tried that, but I don't see why it wouldn't be good.
Since you're working with horns, you really don't need insane amounts of power unless this is being used for outdoor or very large room PA. Maybe get a single 50ASX2SE board for the HF part of the horns, or a 125ASX2? And the 200ASC (two, or one with a 200AC hanger amp) for the woofers.
Since you're working with horns, you really don't need insane amounts of power unless this is being used for outdoor or very large room PA. Maybe get a single 50ASX2SE board for the HF part of the horns, or a 125ASX2? And the 200ASC (two, or one with a 200AC hanger amp) for the woofers.
8 level class d maybe, high bandwith, even open loop, but now busy with circlotron, do well with autobias, sometimes timeout an some simulation of class D multilevel, super high power, 8 x carrier frequency, s0 200 Khz get,s 1.6 Mhz!! on output, just curious, I think 5 level is best for simpleness.
The trynergy do sound quite good, but I am also curious for the synergy. I look for a compression driver and try a karlson tube who do the highs, that will possibly ease the design and get better output.
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