Joachim, the offset is fluctuating within a range of more than a 100mV every second - it is not steady and is too fast for the servo to correct. Finally took a listen using a DL103: there is a very prominent hiss, completely against expectations. Bad batch of electrolytics at the input stage? Oscillations?
And it is definitely not related to the servo. Also took a listen without the servo - same fluctuations at output and same hiss. Granted the 103 is a bit low in output but i have carts with 3 times lower output...
My opamps came in original sealed bags, from RS, anyway i tried to use some AD711 with same result.
I had a short discussion with MiiB. He is in Hong-Kong at the moment preparing to sleep.
That is what we came up :
Preforming the Elcaps, especially the ones in the input. Load them up to the rated voltage with a battery or a lab PSU. Let them soke up the voltage for some hours so that they form. Then put them in the circuit.
Thermo couple the input transistors with a piece of metal. The circuit has a lot of gain in the lower frequency region so thermal drift can challenge the servo.
Decouple the mirrors locally with ceramic caps, that can take away oscillation.
That is what we came up :
Preforming the Elcaps, especially the ones in the input. Load them up to the rated voltage with a battery or a lab PSU. Let them soke up the voltage for some hours so that they form. Then put them in the circuit.
Thermo couple the input transistors with a piece of metal. The circuit has a lot of gain in the lower frequency region so thermal drift can challenge the servo.
Decouple the mirrors locally with ceramic caps, that can take away oscillation.
That's easy 🙂 done!
It seems not to be. Still the same issue. I bet there is something oscillating at the negative side. Will fire up the scope..
What brand of Elcaps do you use ? I use Panasonic, a long life version of the FM. I think they are part of the group buy and should be good. I also tried Rubicon ZL and ZY without problem. Elna should be good too.
Another option is to make the servo faster by reducing the 1uF cap. It will still reach down low enough.
Another option is to make the servo faster by reducing the 1uF cap. It will still reach down low enough.
I use Panasonic FR like you, and i already tried to reduce the cap in the servo to 220nf, but with no result?
I guess it will be solved, since we are already two with the same problem, and there are probably more to come.
Fixed the issue with the insufficient voltage across the output 2SK170. Indeed Joachim was correct - top FET needed replacement.
As for the randomly moving dc levels i still have no idea. And it is very consistent between channels.
I had similar issues...How did you choose the new top fet ? Different idss ?
I had initially an offset of around 25 to 40mV. That went down after a while. I assume that is forming of the electrolytics in the input stage ( 2 x 6800uF ). They have some leakage current that goes down with time in use.
If after several days in use the DC offset at the output does not go down there are instructions in the building manual how to raise the "authority" of the servo.
Yes, i ment searching for J310 that leave enough Vds ( Uds ) over the 2SK170.
In my build the output offset was inittially around 100mV but after some hours it came down to around 10mV, so I agree it might have something to do with the input emitter caps.
It seems not to be. Still the same issue. I bet there is something oscillating at the negative side. Will fire up the scope..
O.k, show us a picture, also show the voltages at the different test points.
We will attack that DC offset problem and we will find a solution. I mean, it can not be,
My Paradise R3 worked right away after eroding two stuffing mistakes.
Ether you have made a stuffing mistake, or a part is faulty. When it is something else we have to find out. There must be a reason.
Hesener mentioned some time ago that the hunt for ultra high Hfe COULD create some of the oscialltion problem we had on the Paradise 1.
I repeat is now again : an Hfe of 400 is more then abundant, in ALL positions, also the input.
My Paradise R3 worked right away after eroding two stuffing mistakes.
Ether you have made a stuffing mistake, or a part is faulty. When it is something else we have to find out. There must be a reason.
Hesener mentioned some time ago that the hunt for ultra high Hfe COULD create some of the oscialltion problem we had on the Paradise 1.
I repeat is now again : an Hfe of 400 is more then abundant, in ALL positions, also the input.
Scope draws a flat line at the output.
Shunt neg: -0.558V
Shunt pos: +0.544V
Pre Reg neg: 23.24V
Pre Reg Pos: 23.9V
Shunt neg: -0.558V
Shunt pos: +0.544V
Pre Reg neg: 23.24V
Pre Reg Pos: 23.9V
Another approach :
Disconnect the cartridge, terminate the input with a 10 Ohm resistor, trim the input offset DC to zero ( more or less ), look what happens at the output.
Disconnect the cartridge, terminate the input with a 10 Ohm resistor, trim the input offset DC to zero ( more or less ), look what happens at the output.
Unfortunately Alfred didn't send me the proper qty. of heatsink clips. So I can not test the other one. Need to obtain one from reichelt later.
How hot should the headsink become? Mine is getting boiling hot. Can't leave my fingers on it for more then a second. Output voltages are ok. Input voltage 30V@206mA positive and 30V/152mA negative rail.
The supply current should be 110mA ...130mA, not more. This is irrespective of whether the amplifier is connected or not (the big power jumpers in the middle), because the shunt will reduce its current accordingly. But I read the problem is solved already..... 😀
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