My 3012B occasionally boots up without issue...that's why I bought a Sigilent. I do miss that TEK.My ancient Tek TDS3032 runs on Linux, and at 25 years old, is still good (now I've replaced the NVRAM). Worn out a few floppy disks, mind. My R&S RTO1012 runs on Windoze XP; I dare not plug anything to it, and frankly, I don't like it much, but it had a far better FFT than similarly-priced Teks of the time. Never liked HP, but that's just me.
Now I pair the Sigilent with my 2465B on occasion.
FWIW, the wave-form generator of the Sigilent has THD+N of around 0.02%, at 1kHz... not excellent but good enough for a lot of analysis.
Perhaps it needs a new NVRAM? Mine started by losing the date and time, then progressed to forgetting how to save traces. At that point, I didn't have much to lose. I bought a new NVRAM from Fleabay https://www.ebay.com/itm/293776182478 having a larger and exposed coin cell, already programmed. Removing the old NVRAM isn't for the faint-hearted, but desolder wick and care got it out. Two corner pins didn't want to give up their solder and I deduce that they're to power and ground planes with insufficient thermal relief, but careful leverage whilst heating got the chip out. Defluxed the board, fitted new chip and you'd hardly notice anyone had been in there. Do keep good ventilation in the 2465B because their hybrids die.
Hi Tom,
I also have an EDU36311A. It would lock up under browser control (Firefox or Chrome). You couldn't shut the outputs off unless you turned the entire unit off. Given that it was mounted about 5' away up on on my left, I needed to control it remotely. They replaced the first one. Then couldn't replicate the issue. Nothing more was heard for a while. I discovered a firmware upgrade much later (had done those early when we were troubleshooting), installed it and that fixed it. Now the E36312A I have worked just fine, but painfully slow to respond to commands via browser control, not very quick from the front panel either. I don't use it much as a result.
Those supplies are very good, and have features I do use. I have to say I am keeping my 6236x and 6237x power supplies. The 6186x and 6228B I bought are staying as well. Turn them on, and they work, period. I installed lights in the 6228B since it doesn't have a pilot. I keep leaving it on. I'll be putting in a power light in the 3457A's and 4263A since the also lack power lights and I leave those on too.
Hi EC8010,
People either like Tektronix or HP it seems. However one complaint was that HP scopes didn't trigger well - bunk! They are both good products (or were). I have both, but I find the way an HP operates is easier for me. Just personal preference. This is likely the reason why you have that division.
I also have an EDU36311A. It would lock up under browser control (Firefox or Chrome). You couldn't shut the outputs off unless you turned the entire unit off. Given that it was mounted about 5' away up on on my left, I needed to control it remotely. They replaced the first one. Then couldn't replicate the issue. Nothing more was heard for a while. I discovered a firmware upgrade much later (had done those early when we were troubleshooting), installed it and that fixed it. Now the E36312A I have worked just fine, but painfully slow to respond to commands via browser control, not very quick from the front panel either. I don't use it much as a result.
Those supplies are very good, and have features I do use. I have to say I am keeping my 6236x and 6237x power supplies. The 6186x and 6228B I bought are staying as well. Turn them on, and they work, period. I installed lights in the 6228B since it doesn't have a pilot. I keep leaving it on. I'll be putting in a power light in the 3457A's and 4263A since the also lack power lights and I leave those on too.
Hi EC8010,
People either like Tektronix or HP it seems. However one complaint was that HP scopes didn't trigger well - bunk! They are both good products (or were). I have both, but I find the way an HP operates is easier for me. Just personal preference. This is likely the reason why you have that division.
Those Tek scopes need the covers in place when running. The fan doesn't cool those chips with the covers off. They should have installed heat sinks, but they didn't. Not happy with the trace on my 2465B CT at all. Fat and fuzzy, it has been serviced.
What I use as a hobbyist.What do you guys recommend for a good testing / electronical / audio bench testing rig?
1. Rigol DHO802/Hitachi V-1100/Tek 465 (I love that old thing) and other old scopes.
2. AFG-2005 GWinstek Sig. Gen.
3. Greenlee DM-810 and Hioki DT4255 as main DMM and 4 AN8009 for bias and offset, Simpson 460 series 6 as analog multimeter.
4. 2 Owon XDM1241 as bench dmm. (I go them cheap and love the nice display)
4. Analog discovery 2 with audio analyzer sofware
5. BK Precision 8500 Programmable DC Electronic Load
6. BK Precision 9110 (x2) as power supplies
7. DAT v3
8. Home made dummy load.
Application: Fix vintage audio gear and scopes (I can't calibrate old scopes as they should, but I have fun making my best), build newer amps (like wolverines, JATs, etc, etc), test boards I design in kicad to replace destroyed ones on vintage gear and design passive crossovers for speakers I build.
Don't get too hang on test gear, is not needed (unless metrology is your thing) , I know extremely brilliant guys that do a LOT with a Simpson 260 and 60's heathkit test gear.
Is better to learn what are you doing, study books than Tektronix this, Keysight that, fluke this, AP that... I leave that to pros.
Good luck and have fun!
The classic Tekronix 465B was a fantastic scope, and a work of art IMO. This classic was designed back in the 70's and one personally used for decades. I once turned this scope (as a display with an interface and display blanking) into an Ansi Standard 1 octave bar graph display for the amusement. This was before those nasty computers as the devil's work came into being...
Perhaps about 20 years ago now, 40 Rigol scopes were purchased to refurbish an undergraduate teaching lab, and I personally still own a DS1102E. The problem with the RIgol's (and mine) is that the rotary switches become intermittent of proper function.
Although the rotary switches are of digital form these rely upon quadrature decoding to change ranges in one direction or the other. As seeming of mechanical contact instead of the more expensive optical they become intermittent and the quadrature starts failing. Meaning that the ranges flip all over the place. Apparently these switches can be replaced, as was done for numerous units in the lab, though I haven't done this in mine yet.
Despite this failing, as seems could be common in many inexpensive scopes, the Rigol's appear as a great little scope for the hobbyist.
Perhaps about 20 years ago now, 40 Rigol scopes were purchased to refurbish an undergraduate teaching lab, and I personally still own a DS1102E. The problem with the RIgol's (and mine) is that the rotary switches become intermittent of proper function.
Although the rotary switches are of digital form these rely upon quadrature decoding to change ranges in one direction or the other. As seeming of mechanical contact instead of the more expensive optical they become intermittent and the quadrature starts failing. Meaning that the ranges flip all over the place. Apparently these switches can be replaced, as was done for numerous units in the lab, though I haven't done this in mine yet.
Despite this failing, as seems could be common in many inexpensive scopes, the Rigol's appear as a great little scope for the hobbyist.
I have Rigol MSO5072 with full-crack, excellent oscilloscope. For audio band I have QuantAsylum QA402. I have a Siglent 16bit waveform generator too. Very usefull is Brymen BM869 and B&K Precision 880 LCR Meter.
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Agreed; personal preference. I did buy HP54600B for work years ago and they were fine for repetitive signals and students but their one-shot bandwidth was dismal. The Tek competition at the time was the TAS465, which was dreadful.People either like Tektronix or HP it seems. I have both, but I find the way an HP operates is easier for me. Just personal preference. This is likely the reason why you have that division.
For sure. My choice was a 54600 or the Philips or the Tek. There was no choice, the Philips were analogue. I did use a 54600A in the Cal lab for troubleshooting with the memory pak. My 54642D is a far better scope on every front, but analogue anything is still better for signals.
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