I was asking if the intention was to design a high end speaker to complement high end amplifier designs or to design a high fidelity speaker. Your opening post in your new thread combined with your answers and non-answers here suggest a lack of commitment to either camp. I suspect I may be asking about a distinction you do not make or recognise which is fair enough.
Ah, ok, I see. I am not commited to a any of those "camps". I find it difficult to understand the terms "high end" and "high fidelity" in an engineering context. I have read those terms so many times in marketing and advertisement texts that they have lost any meaning to me.
My idea is to design a speaker that reproduces the music signal as good as possible (maybe that's what "high fidelity" meant before I got brainwashed). This speaker is allowed to cost a little bit of money (maybe a lot of money by some standards), but the money should be spent for good technical reasons (maybe the money thing relates to the "end" in "high end"? I don't know).
My idea is to design a speaker that reproduces the music signal as good as possible (maybe that's what "high fidelity" meant before I got brainwashed). This speaker is allowed to cost a little bit of money (maybe a lot of money by some standards), but the money should be spent for good technical reasons (maybe the money thing relates to the "end" in "high end"? I don't know).
The term "Hi-End" originate from white-van sales of speakers in the 80's. Eventually it was adopted by people in the industry. So I guess the "snake-oil" just got more expensive and fancier. 🙂
It may very well be that it signifies "the end" for the victims wallet. 🙂
It may very well be that it signifies "the end" for the victims wallet. 🙂
at this point almost all of the mentioned requirement have been established by the poll, we know budget (max 1000$ for drivers has been agreed, for a pair), low frequency extension (F3 of 35 to 40), SPL (92db+), size (100 to 150 liter), shape (tower),... as for looks the dominate factor would be the woofer(s) one big woofer or any other combinations, and high end vs hifi ? TBH IMHO i do not see how that would be a factor, based on budget if you have to choose I do not think we are going to have High end drivers if that's what you mean.
and as we all agreed, this numbers are not fixed and can be change (not drastically) toward another factor by designers.
I went through some 15" and couldn't find any interesting options, any suggestions ?
Really? Did you run any through any of the box model programs? They're are a fair number of woofers that will fit the bill but they do eat up a lot of the budget. I don't see two woofers working and keeping the impedance up and staying within budget, not a lot of options for 16ohm woofers.
na most of them crossed out with simple math, fs,qts,vas... have a few candidate that i will do a quick sim on.
I'll come up with a list tonight, and then Andy191 can come in and say this is premature and with need to outline what we want to build, again. 🙂
this one is not bad, B&C 15BG100 very strong BL, low FS, small VAS (~82 liter), not very high sensitivity (~94db 1W/1m), a very quick n dirty calculation (no sim yet) shows it can go down to 32 in a 110 liter ported box for f3 of -3db at 32Hz.
cost and arm and leg tho.
cost and arm and leg tho.
this one also LaVoce WAN154.01, with higher sensitivity of 98 with similar VAS, but it needs to be tuned higher, in a box of 110 liter, can be tuned to 38Hz with -3db.
it also costs much less but the catch is it is a "coming soon" product and I could not find much info on LaVoce brand 😀.
it also costs much less but the catch is it is a "coming soon" product and I could not find much info on LaVoce brand 😀.
Premature? There is nothing premature about these threads which have dragged on for weeks and weeks without designs starting. A few weeks ago I tried to get some input from others on something close to the runner-up design but without success and so I started an alternative side project for my free time (which is coming along nicely). If we can drag out the chat for a further couple of months, perhaps two more polls?, I might be in a position to get actively involved rather than just chatting in my tea breaks. We will see.
so .. apparently now we get hammered for taking us too long to get to this point.
i m glad that you have your project going on and would be more glad if instead of bashing every post because it doesn't go the way it should or as fast as it should IYO, you could guide the project a little since you have the experience. this is not helpful, if this project doesn't get anywhere or never get finished, yes that would be a shame, but at least we tried !
sorry, had to say this.
i m glad that you have your project going on and would be more glad if instead of bashing every post because it doesn't go the way it should or as fast as it should IYO, you could guide the project a little since you have the experience. this is not helpful, if this project doesn't get anywhere or never get finished, yes that would be a shame, but at least we tried !
sorry, had to say this.
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I was just making a joke, I think your input has been as valuable as anyone's.
I'm with you that this has been a slow process. I think it's the nature of the beast though.
sometimes is hard to converge things from people's opinion, but it can be done through some amount of polls and processing the data. The same question can be asked in a different ways.
People are much more comfortable to vote then to write or speak.
Promoting polls on facebook and other places can help to speed up things.
People are much more comfortable to vote then to write or speak.
Promoting polls on facebook and other places can help to speed up things.
Not quite, i was expecting some way overboard 5-way ultimate ultra flat uber expensive above all no holds barred speaker...well, what a disapointment
My suggestion was ignored, no biggie
haha, you never know what we are cooking in secret.... but i m gonna keep it all to myself and never show it here 😀
He s joking 😉 and also I m all good, just don't understand the mind set 😉
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yes i agree, it is absolutely not an easy task, and also not possible to keep everybody happy 🙂 and hopefully we will not need more polls 😉