property
the max humidity a lcd can stabily run at or safley too i should say is 60% a mh bulb with a wall temp of 1200deg cant run under humidity, why? cos it will explode and if u knew about mh bulbs if u put cold air on them they become unstable and either explode or u will have the reverse effect meaning less light or hospital, the humidity in the fridge is 100% ever opend the fride on a summers day? u seen the mist come out? that is condensation from the cold air meeting the hot turning into water droplets or u could say the humidity turning into fine rain as it gathers in the hot air, ok the same will happen in the projector if u do this that is why u use normal air from the outer enclosure that same humidity as the inside and u are not creating more, also i might add run a lcd too cold they not only dont work but the cooler they are the dimmer they get therfore u get less lumen output, dont run a lcd over 30c and u are fine, if your lcd is getting hot get some eglass with the argo wich is best or make up glass panels and use as manny as needed, though dont use more than 3 cos it will drop your light output
enough said
property either u start to make a projector or i sujest u move to one of the poles, reminder: this is a forum property not a chat
Trev
the max humidity a lcd can stabily run at or safley too i should say is 60% a mh bulb with a wall temp of 1200deg cant run under humidity, why? cos it will explode and if u knew about mh bulbs if u put cold air on them they become unstable and either explode or u will have the reverse effect meaning less light or hospital, the humidity in the fridge is 100% ever opend the fride on a summers day? u seen the mist come out? that is condensation from the cold air meeting the hot turning into water droplets or u could say the humidity turning into fine rain as it gathers in the hot air, ok the same will happen in the projector if u do this that is why u use normal air from the outer enclosure that same humidity as the inside and u are not creating more, also i might add run a lcd too cold they not only dont work but the cooler they are the dimmer they get therfore u get less lumen output, dont run a lcd over 30c and u are fine, if your lcd is getting hot get some eglass with the argo wich is best or make up glass panels and use as manny as needed, though dont use more than 3 cos it will drop your light output
enough said
property either u start to make a projector or i sujest u move to one of the poles, reminder: this is a forum property not a chat
Trev
Property, i appreciate your design...but its flawed....the setup you have pictured won't work....the air simply won't get that cold while going through those copper pipes in the fridge.....the air would only be in there a short time and not be much cooler than ambient air. Air is a horrible conductor of heat/cold...it has poor thermal transfer properties compared to liquids....in the end it won't be cold enought to do much good for your lcd.
eebasist
Those are ALOT of copper tubes in there!
And they can be coiled multiple times!
And small computer fans can be put in the outtake tube to further help pull the air through..
You can't tell me that that air won't be cooled a little..That air is being divided into many small diameter tubes....And for 1 penny, that little bit of extra cooling might be worth it....But then again the cold air meeting the room temperature at the exhaust at the projector would probably be a problem (if it's too cold).
Those are ALOT of copper tubes in there!
And they can be coiled multiple times!
And small computer fans can be put in the outtake tube to further help pull the air through..
You can't tell me that that air won't be cooled a little..That air is being divided into many small diameter tubes....And for 1 penny, that little bit of extra cooling might be worth it....But then again the cold air meeting the room temperature at the exhaust at the projector would probably be a problem (if it's too cold).
A Penny?
Property:
I hope you're smart enuf to realize you won't but a fridge for a penny on Ebay, no matter what the auction says.......
Property:
I hope you're smart enuf to realize you won't but a fridge for a penny on Ebay, no matter what the auction says.......
property
hehehe property moisture filters fill up after time lol and it doenst take that long with high humdity im talking 1 hours or so, for the coil design if u wanted to push air in pipes u will need a compressor, i see u havnt played with a comp fan either at all or for a while, put the fan on the desk with the air hitting the desk and what do u get? the air coming back at u lol and over rpm of the fan, those fans cant produce the push that is required to flow the air through the pipes and if u was going to u could only do it with the tube the same size as the fan and one big loop at best, the only way to do a refrig job is to have one fan pushing air in the fridge and one taking it out through a strait tube and maybe just maybe the air is in there long enough to cool as the area in the fridge is bigger than what u are shoving in, i see the more advanced people in here and quite a few normal people are trying to get their projector smaller, asd with u im sure u must own a acarige or somthing as yours are getting bigger by the day not to mention the running costs, if u want to get the moisture out of the air u need a drier and they are a compressor part or a compressor mod, they wont work with fans or filters cos fans cant push the air enough
quite simple realy, well obvious how things work, u have the net property this is not the only page so serch and learn like the rest of us does
Trev
hehehe property moisture filters fill up after time lol and it doenst take that long with high humdity im talking 1 hours or so, for the coil design if u wanted to push air in pipes u will need a compressor, i see u havnt played with a comp fan either at all or for a while, put the fan on the desk with the air hitting the desk and what do u get? the air coming back at u lol and over rpm of the fan, those fans cant produce the push that is required to flow the air through the pipes and if u was going to u could only do it with the tube the same size as the fan and one big loop at best, the only way to do a refrig job is to have one fan pushing air in the fridge and one taking it out through a strait tube and maybe just maybe the air is in there long enough to cool as the area in the fridge is bigger than what u are shoving in, i see the more advanced people in here and quite a few normal people are trying to get their projector smaller, asd with u im sure u must own a acarige or somthing as yours are getting bigger by the day not to mention the running costs, if u want to get the moisture out of the air u need a drier and they are a compressor part or a compressor mod, they wont work with fans or filters cos fans cant push the air enough
quite simple realy, well obvious how things work, u have the net property this is not the only page so serch and learn like the rest of us does
Trev
qui_99
hey qui hows it? for your system i would get 2 120mm low rpm fans one in and one out that should do the trick and try to get some eglass the prob u have is not hard to fix
Trev
hey qui hows it? for your system i would get 2 120mm low rpm fans one in and one out that should do the trick and try to get some eglass the prob u have is not hard to fix
Trev
yeah, I'll ask a local windows maker for low-e glass. If then can, I'll replace my OHP stage glass with it
QUI thats a smart Idea of replaceing your OHP glass with Low E, I never even thought of that, One thing though dosent Low e glass block some light? and its thicker( 2 panes of glass with argon gass inbetween them)
video freak
yeah your right video freak aslong as the glass has no coatings like anti glare crap it should be ok, argo is clear and slow moving so u wont see that and well the light u will loose under a 500w mh u wont even see it lol
i wouldnt use 2 though
Trev
yeah your right video freak aslong as the glass has no coatings like anti glare crap it should be ok, argo is clear and slow moving so u wont see that and well the light u will loose under a 500w mh u wont even see it lol
i wouldnt use 2 though
Trev
ACE_3000 You have a problem that you like to belittle other people not because of the lameness of their ideas but just to make yourself look greater. Here's is the proof: You said all kinds of things against my idea in your last post. But at the same time you described how it would work. Case closed.
Now of course that picture was not my final design. And many adjustments could be made, some of them you described while at the same time saying it wouldn't work.
Now (as you noted) there are many adjustments that can be made. Of course i know that moisture filters have to be changed. THAT is the easy part, and you didn't mention that moisture filters can be recharged and reused. So the moisture filters can go on intake. And there are many places that silica desiccant (rechargeable) can be put. Problem solved.
Second, a compressor is too drastic. I'm NOT TRYING to cool the air with a compressor. The compressor is already part of the fridge. That's why I want to use the fridge. I'm just trying to draw cool air through the tubes. It doesn't matter how slow or how fast the air is drawn through the many tubes. As long as it's drawn through so that it can THEN be used.
3rd, the number of tubes i'm talking about should compensate for pushing/pulling air through small tubes. IF i was trying to use comp fans (and by comp fan I think we can all agree that i mean small diameter fans) to push/pull the air through only ONE small tube,and aT A HIGH SPEED, then I could agree with you, I would need a pump. But i'm talking about a bundle of 10-15 small tubes here (which by the way you would have read if you were a little bit more attentive and less brash) and speed of travel through the tubes is not so important. Suck a milkshake through a straw, it's hard. Suck the same milkshake through 5 straws, it's easier.
4th YES IT'S TRUE!!! Not all of us are trying to make our Projector's Smaller!!! Big SupRISE FOR You!
But there is a good reason for that. Smaller FOR DIY is NOT necessarily BETTER. And Here's why: Commercial projectors are obviously trying to get smaller. Why? Portability and Looks. Those are the ONLY reasons. I'll agree that a smaller lcd will allow more efficient use of the light source. BUT A SMALLER PROJECTOR IS not NECESSARILY BETTER. And As DIYers we have the opportunity to handle the problems that small commercial projectors have to put up with because they are made small for Portability and Looks. Problems that can be handled effectively with more room for the parts to handle them. Problems like heat build up in certain areas, limited hours of continuous use, dirt, resolution, humidity, parts that should not be too close together being to close together,etc...
As DIYers we have the opportunity to include things in our projectors that are good for projectors but that commercial manufacturers have to trade away, or give up entirely, in order to make a smaller, more portable, better looking projector.
So ACE-3000, my accusation against you (first paragraph in case you didn't read it as usual) still stands. ANd if you don't reply to my rebuttal, it won't be the first time.( I say this even though i hope you will reply to me as least as possible. Yes, i think you could be a little more attentive and a little less brash)
I WILL agree with you on one thing though. It's all talk and show until results are posted.
Now of course that picture was not my final design. And many adjustments could be made, some of them you described while at the same time saying it wouldn't work.
Now (as you noted) there are many adjustments that can be made. Of course i know that moisture filters have to be changed. THAT is the easy part, and you didn't mention that moisture filters can be recharged and reused. So the moisture filters can go on intake. And there are many places that silica desiccant (rechargeable) can be put. Problem solved.
Second, a compressor is too drastic. I'm NOT TRYING to cool the air with a compressor. The compressor is already part of the fridge. That's why I want to use the fridge. I'm just trying to draw cool air through the tubes. It doesn't matter how slow or how fast the air is drawn through the many tubes. As long as it's drawn through so that it can THEN be used.
3rd, the number of tubes i'm talking about should compensate for pushing/pulling air through small tubes. IF i was trying to use comp fans (and by comp fan I think we can all agree that i mean small diameter fans) to push/pull the air through only ONE small tube,and aT A HIGH SPEED, then I could agree with you, I would need a pump. But i'm talking about a bundle of 10-15 small tubes here (which by the way you would have read if you were a little bit more attentive and less brash) and speed of travel through the tubes is not so important. Suck a milkshake through a straw, it's hard. Suck the same milkshake through 5 straws, it's easier.
4th YES IT'S TRUE!!! Not all of us are trying to make our Projector's Smaller!!! Big SupRISE FOR You!
But there is a good reason for that. Smaller FOR DIY is NOT necessarily BETTER. And Here's why: Commercial projectors are obviously trying to get smaller. Why? Portability and Looks. Those are the ONLY reasons. I'll agree that a smaller lcd will allow more efficient use of the light source. BUT A SMALLER PROJECTOR IS not NECESSARILY BETTER. And As DIYers we have the opportunity to handle the problems that small commercial projectors have to put up with because they are made small for Portability and Looks. Problems that can be handled effectively with more room for the parts to handle them. Problems like heat build up in certain areas, limited hours of continuous use, dirt, resolution, humidity, parts that should not be too close together being to close together,etc...
As DIYers we have the opportunity to include things in our projectors that are good for projectors but that commercial manufacturers have to trade away, or give up entirely, in order to make a smaller, more portable, better looking projector.
So ACE-3000, my accusation against you (first paragraph in case you didn't read it as usual) still stands. ANd if you don't reply to my rebuttal, it won't be the first time.( I say this even though i hope you will reply to me as least as possible. Yes, i think you could be a little more attentive and a little less brash)
I WILL agree with you on one thing though. It's all talk and show until results are posted.
Property said:
I think thats a good thing, heat is only problematic towards the LCD(monitors only) but the fan will eliminate any other "build ups" since my LCD is a Projection panel it has a fan to move out air and can take heat, so the "build up" is ok.
i think argon can work.
the fridge "MAY" work...with some extra modifiction, but like i said before i only like the idea i wont actually try it.
property
hehehe for once u made me laugh lol i dont put people down property but silly things that are out in here before u even realise yourself they could work is rediculous dont u think, esecially the obvous about fans to push suck air in small pipes lol 2 manny people i have spoken too im not going to mention names are sick of u, all u do is poat post post and its the same as what has already been coverd in the forums manny of times , with new comers i notice u tell them what u have read, how do u know that what people say in here is true? im not doubting anyone in here in what they do but i say this because u yourself are not only a pain in the *** but u are not even building a projector, poeple have asked u manny of times what are u going to build and all we get is **** like a fridge lol. To me property the way u talk and joke with your ideas im sure u are in 5th grade maybe 6th and im sure many others in here think the same. As for making a projector smaller if you try to put a 400w mh with 6inch lcd in a shoe box yess u are creating problems as u stated heat dust ect, but i say for the last time its in the design, and if u cant design then i sujest u shut up and learn what others have made and learn from their mistakes and best of all build your own to see what happends, how it works, and how your will work different from theirs, i dont like to have a coffin sized box in my living room and im sure alot of people would rather have a smaller projector than what theirs is, and realy that is personal choice, i have never knocked a projecvt and i never will its a work of art what each and every one of us creates for our selfs no matter the size or image quality. Ok i havnt posted pics , so what, my life doesnt revolve around a forum, i have a life and i have manny things to do other than to post pics to prove that my projector works or has the best reso in the world, i saw u knock the small screen tv's in a post to a new guy the other day and made a rude coment/joke about him being indian, for your information property a 6inch lcd tv at 100' if u have read the forum looks the same as a large big screen projector rear tv. As for your fridge i just say get with reality and learn what eficientcy is also dont post unless u have ideas u have tried that u can prove that work and make logical sense
til next post im out
Trev
hehehe for once u made me laugh lol i dont put people down property but silly things that are out in here before u even realise yourself they could work is rediculous dont u think, esecially the obvous about fans to push suck air in small pipes lol 2 manny people i have spoken too im not going to mention names are sick of u, all u do is poat post post and its the same as what has already been coverd in the forums manny of times , with new comers i notice u tell them what u have read, how do u know that what people say in here is true? im not doubting anyone in here in what they do but i say this because u yourself are not only a pain in the *** but u are not even building a projector, poeple have asked u manny of times what are u going to build and all we get is **** like a fridge lol. To me property the way u talk and joke with your ideas im sure u are in 5th grade maybe 6th and im sure many others in here think the same. As for making a projector smaller if you try to put a 400w mh with 6inch lcd in a shoe box yess u are creating problems as u stated heat dust ect, but i say for the last time its in the design, and if u cant design then i sujest u shut up and learn what others have made and learn from their mistakes and best of all build your own to see what happends, how it works, and how your will work different from theirs, i dont like to have a coffin sized box in my living room and im sure alot of people would rather have a smaller projector than what theirs is, and realy that is personal choice, i have never knocked a projecvt and i never will its a work of art what each and every one of us creates for our selfs no matter the size or image quality. Ok i havnt posted pics , so what, my life doesnt revolve around a forum, i have a life and i have manny things to do other than to post pics to prove that my projector works or has the best reso in the world, i saw u knock the small screen tv's in a post to a new guy the other day and made a rude coment/joke about him being indian, for your information property a 6inch lcd tv at 100' if u have read the forum looks the same as a large big screen projector rear tv. As for your fridge i just say get with reality and learn what eficientcy is also dont post unless u have ideas u have tried that u can prove that work and make logical sense
til next post im out
Trev
I'll leave it at that because you are obviously looking for a fight.
Please show me where I insulted someone for being Indian though.
Please show me where I insulted someone for being Indian though.
property
hey property i told u about how the fridge would work for your own good and for the people in here who dont know, i thought of refrigerating a cpu in a comper i have but hey condensation and that aint gona go, if there was a way it would have been done and its in development buy the pros for comps, buy the way silicon crystals wont work cos they absorb the water and turn to liqid in the end
Trev
hey property i told u about how the fridge would work for your own good and for the people in here who dont know, i thought of refrigerating a cpu in a comper i have but hey condensation and that aint gona go, if there was a way it would have been done and its in development buy the pros for comps, buy the way silicon crystals wont work cos they absorb the water and turn to liqid in the end
Trev
Silica desiccant comes in rechargeable form. They start red, turn blue when they are saturated, at which time you can put them in the oven and bake them to recharge them.
And manufacturers don't do a lot of things because they think it will be to much trouble for users to maintain. Recharging moisture filters, for example.
And i thought i told you i had enough.
And where did i insult someone for being indian?
And manufacturers don't do a lot of things because they think it will be to much trouble for users to maintain. Recharging moisture filters, for example.
And i thought i told you i had enough.
And where did i insult someone for being indian?
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