Thank you by the schematic and informations
Each channel will have something around 160 watts of consumption when driving full power over 4 ohms.... so.... your transformer, 2A and 28 plus 28 will give a little bit more than 110 watts....not enougth, even to a single channel into 4 ohms...but will operate fine into a single channel when using 8 ohms speakers.
If you have two of those transformers, and accept to use only 8 ohms, using good electrolitic condensers into the supply, you will be happy with them.
regards,
Carlos
Each channel will have something around 160 watts of consumption when driving full power over 4 ohms.... so.... your transformer, 2A and 28 plus 28 will give a little bit more than 110 watts....not enougth, even to a single channel into 4 ohms...but will operate fine into a single channel when using 8 ohms speakers.
If you have two of those transformers, and accept to use only 8 ohms, using good electrolitic condensers into the supply, you will be happy with them.
regards,
Carlos
I like the kit, in special the boards colour... i love this blue
my prefered colour and tone...blue... alike swiming pool, alike blue jeans pants... Lee Riders and Levis.
Watch the fan over my monitor...my prefered colour.
This kit is lovely.
regards,
Carlos
my prefered colour and tone...blue... alike swiming pool, alike blue jeans pants... Lee Riders and Levis.
Watch the fan over my monitor...my prefered colour.
This kit is lovely.
regards,
Carlos
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kit complete/ speaker acting as switch ????
Hello everybody
I have just completed these boards and boy was I careful to not mix anything up or do any bad joints, not drink too much while squinting at the bands with my out of prescription specs.
one very unusual feature, and almost certainly my error - when connected to my bench supply at 31v per side and rigged to test speaker, the current limiter clicks away and treats the circuit as a short. Now, get this, if I unsolder the speaker terminal and switch on everything fine with bias just nice and then connect the speaker, fine, sounds good. For some reason one of the output trannies is not team playing and this quasi thing seems like a fine way to send some juice through your speaker coils. Beware!
Any ideas,
Thanks in advance for your help
Hello everybody
I have just completed these boards and boy was I careful to not mix anything up or do any bad joints, not drink too much while squinting at the bands with my out of prescription specs.
one very unusual feature, and almost certainly my error - when connected to my bench supply at 31v per side and rigged to test speaker, the current limiter clicks away and treats the circuit as a short. Now, get this, if I unsolder the speaker terminal and switch on everything fine with bias just nice and then connect the speaker, fine, sounds good. For some reason one of the output trannies is not team playing and this quasi thing seems like a fine way to send some juice through your speaker coils. Beware!
Any ideas,
Thanks in advance for your help
Fodge,
It looks that your PSU does not like the steep current increase when connecting the amp with speaker load attached. One way to prevent this is to use a PSU without current limiter, or to modify the threshold of your PSU's current limiter.
However, since this current peak is ran through the speaker load during startup, it is advised to use a speaker protection for this reason (many speakers do not fancy DC current, even if it is during a short startup period. Low power full range speakers might die within a few milliseconds when exposed to DC 🙁 ). In one of the links posted in this thread, describing the building process of this kit with lots of pictures, you can see a speaker protection circuit connected to the output of the amplifier boards.
Please let us know how this amplifier sounds, I'm also interested in one of these kits!
It looks that your PSU does not like the steep current increase when connecting the amp with speaker load attached. One way to prevent this is to use a PSU without current limiter, or to modify the threshold of your PSU's current limiter.
However, since this current peak is ran through the speaker load during startup, it is advised to use a speaker protection for this reason (many speakers do not fancy DC current, even if it is during a short startup period. Low power full range speakers might die within a few milliseconds when exposed to DC 🙁 ). In one of the links posted in this thread, describing the building process of this kit with lots of pictures, you can see a speaker protection circuit connected to the output of the amplifier boards.
Please let us know how this amplifier sounds, I'm also interested in one of these kits!
Hi AcidEye
You were quite correct, the surge at turn-on is quite high and then settles down. They sound good on the bench speakers. I will get them put in the box I have ready and waiting that did house my jlh 75w that did not like my electrostatics at all and got very hot, very quickly.
cheers
You were quite correct, the surge at turn-on is quite high and then settles down. They sound good on the bench speakers. I will get them put in the box I have ready and waiting that did house my jlh 75w that did not like my electrostatics at all and got very hot, very quickly.
cheers
Hi
I am awaiting my parts to build one of these clones.
Has anyone finished building one and if so how does it sound compared to the naim nap140?
I am awaiting my parts to build one of these clones.
Has anyone finished building one and if so how does it sound compared to the naim nap140?
Hi
Yes, I have finished mine and put in a box with a shielded transformer and a very simple power supply. Mine is currently driving my 6 foot high diy electrostatics and the sound is very detailed and balanced. My usual amp is a huge beard valve amp and it compares very well especially in the channel balance. obviously it would find the esl's a tough load for its smallish output but i have to say that there is little evidence of it struggling at quite high volume levels. The heatsinks get slightly warm. I set the bias across the emitter resistors at 6mv. Initially it was way too high, 30mv, and the sinks got hottish. 35 to 38ma seems to be the naim standard, or so I am told.
Anyway, I am very pleased to have built them, take a lot of care with good solder joints.
Yes, I have finished mine and put in a box with a shielded transformer and a very simple power supply. Mine is currently driving my 6 foot high diy electrostatics and the sound is very detailed and balanced. My usual amp is a huge beard valve amp and it compares very well especially in the channel balance. obviously it would find the esl's a tough load for its smallish output but i have to say that there is little evidence of it struggling at quite high volume levels. The heatsinks get slightly warm. I set the bias across the emitter resistors at 6mv. Initially it was way too high, 30mv, and the sinks got hottish. 35 to 38ma seems to be the naim standard, or so I am told.
Anyway, I am very pleased to have built them, take a lot of care with good solder joints.
Hi flodge
Thanks for the reply.
Did you build yours exactly as supplied or have you changed any components? Would changing the output transistors to BUV20's or MJ15003 give more output without getting hot?
By the way, how long did it take for you to receive yours, I have been waiting almost 3 weeks now, although Xmas probably delays things.
Rocky
Thanks for the reply.
Did you build yours exactly as supplied or have you changed any components? Would changing the output transistors to BUV20's or MJ15003 give more output without getting hot?
By the way, how long did it take for you to receive yours, I have been waiting almost 3 weeks now, although Xmas probably delays things.
Rocky
Hi rocky99
Mine took about 3 weeks to arrive which is about normal for the distance. I used the components as supplied as they seem to be pretty good but it is debatable whether increasing the bias and more capable output transistors would make a lot of difference with a quasi-complementary circuit. I have to admit though I am just a hobbyist. There are some tests of the nait circuit on the web and distortion levels with different levels of bias and I think the circuit is similar but I may be very wrong. The sound of mine seems to be improving as things 'burn in' or my ears adjust psycho-acoustically, and I don't know which I believe in, depends how much wine you've had or how your feeling. It is a good amp though, I keep on sneaking back for a listen and neglecting my family and that's a good test.
I hope it arrives soon
flodge
Mine took about 3 weeks to arrive which is about normal for the distance. I used the components as supplied as they seem to be pretty good but it is debatable whether increasing the bias and more capable output transistors would make a lot of difference with a quasi-complementary circuit. I have to admit though I am just a hobbyist. There are some tests of the nait circuit on the web and distortion levels with different levels of bias and I think the circuit is similar but I may be very wrong. The sound of mine seems to be improving as things 'burn in' or my ears adjust psycho-acoustically, and I don't know which I believe in, depends how much wine you've had or how your feeling. It is a good amp though, I keep on sneaking back for a listen and neglecting my family and that's a good test.
I hope it arrives soon
flodge
I lost my copy of the Chinese insert that came with this kit. If someone would kindly post, I'll pass it on to a co-worker who will translate it and I'll post it back.
Is the output stage protection circuit included in this implementation? There are NAIM clone boards out there that leave it out.
This second instruction sheet recommends addition of speaker protection. The kit does not include it.
Hi,
I am planning on getting one of these kits off ebay.. I want to build something to power my recently finished Usher 701's (parts express kit but my own cabinents).
Can anyone point me in the direction or recomend a good power supply design suitable for this amp kit??
Thanks in advance.
I am planning on getting one of these kits off ebay.. I want to build something to power my recently finished Usher 701's (parts express kit but my own cabinents).
Can anyone point me in the direction or recomend a good power supply design suitable for this amp kit??
Thanks in advance.
Well i ordered one of the 'improved' NAP140 kits they now have on ebay. The layout looks to have changed a bit and the board is white.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IMPROVED-POWE...ageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122
Any help with power supply designs?? My only amp building experience is with a briangt chip amp. I could use some advice.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IMPROVED-POWE...ageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122
Any help with power supply designs?? My only amp building experience is with a briangt chip amp. I could use some advice.
Flappy
Here is an article on a simple Power Supply that will get you going:
http://sound.westhost.com/psu-wiring.htm
Good luck.
Here is an article on a simple Power Supply that will get you going:
http://sound.westhost.com/psu-wiring.htm
Good luck.
Thanks Rocky99,
so it looks like a simple power supply will do the trick...
I want to order some parts so ill guess ill go with the same rectifier (mur860 diodes) and general circuitry as i built for my chipamp specifically this design
http://chipamp.com/images/ps.gif
but i will probably bring up the capacitance a bit with multiple filter caps
so it looks like a simple power supply will do the trick...
I want to order some parts so ill guess ill go with the same rectifier (mur860 diodes) and general circuitry as i built for my chipamp specifically this design
http://chipamp.com/images/ps.gif
but i will probably bring up the capacitance a bit with multiple filter caps
OK i have built my boards what is the next step?
I have found a couple of huge Erie 22000 uf caps and a pair of decent metal cases diode bridges, with a spare 300 va daul secondary tranny this should make an ok basic psu.
However i dont know how i should start to test these things, where the connections go or indeed how to start biasing them.
Any help gratefully recieved.
Phil
I have found a couple of huge Erie 22000 uf caps and a pair of decent metal cases diode bridges, with a spare 300 va daul secondary tranny this should make an ok basic psu.
However i dont know how i should start to test these things, where the connections go or indeed how to start biasing them.
Any help gratefully recieved.
Phil
Anyone care to comment on the suitability of TIP41C/42C as drivers. The gain and (therefore) GB product is rather low compared to the parts Naim use. Cob is also 2X the Naim parts, I wonder if this mucks up the frequency compensation (base resistors and RC in parallel)?
The VAS Tr is a 2SD667 - this looks OK to me.
The VAS Tr is a 2SD667 - this looks OK to me.
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