No argument from me on the changes in sound when you change settings in audio playback software. Learned that 20 years ago when playing around with some pretty simple gear on my desktop computer. It's been true on all playback software that I've used since, including Moode.
It would be easy to disagree if you've never spent any time playing with the settings.
Will say that some settings benefit some systems more than others. My current main amp/speaker combo leans towards the warm side of things and increasing buffer size or changing output mode to direct steps it too far into warm territory. Yet on another system it's just wonderful.
CPU performance seems to sound better on all the systems. So it's worth experimenting.
But the bottom line is you can make positive changes pretty easily. Thanks for pointing out so many of them.
It would be easy to disagree if you've never spent any time playing with the settings.
Will say that some settings benefit some systems more than others. My current main amp/speaker combo leans towards the warm side of things and increasing buffer size or changing output mode to direct steps it too far into warm territory. Yet on another system it's just wonderful.
CPU performance seems to sound better on all the systems. So it's worth experimenting.
But the bottom line is you can make positive changes pretty easily. Thanks for pointing out so many of them.
The purpose for the buffers is to prevent the audio from dropping out, it doesn't modify the frequency response in anyway. Think of the buffers as data buckets, the CPU will periodically keep topping up the buckets to keep them full. The contents of the buffers are simply pulled from storage media like an external disk drive or streaming site and then stored in RAM for the audio subsystem to access.
The CPU Governor has absolutely no interaction with the audio stack, the governor maintains the CPU frequency scaling to ensure the CPU is running optimally depending on system load, so it increases the frequency with a higher load and decreases the frequency on lighter loads. So its not possible by fiddling with the cpu scaler to modify the audio quality.
Changing these low level system parameters cannot possibly change the audio quality. I suggest reading about basic computing architectures before making unfounded statements about what parts of an operating system or a CPU can actually change the audio quality.
The CPU Governor has absolutely no interaction with the audio stack, the governor maintains the CPU frequency scaling to ensure the CPU is running optimally depending on system load, so it increases the frequency with a higher load and decreases the frequency on lighter loads. So its not possible by fiddling with the cpu scaler to modify the audio quality.
Changing these low level system parameters cannot possibly change the audio quality. I suggest reading about basic computing architectures before making unfounded statements about what parts of an operating system or a CPU can actually change the audio quality.
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@Indiglo
They do effect sound quality, and quite dramatically so.
As far as I can tell it's more about how timing of harmonics are affected by buffer sizes.
As an avid amplifier designer I know that harmonics and how well they are preserved from the recorded event is THE most important issue to handle when designing a top level amplifier.
Please try, and get some own experience before telling someone that it can be, when my experience is that it is unquestionable that they have an effect.
They do effect sound quality, and quite dramatically so.
As far as I can tell it's more about how timing of harmonics are affected by buffer sizes.
As an avid amplifier designer I know that harmonics and how well they are preserved from the recorded event is THE most important issue to handle when designing a top level amplifier.
Please try, and get some own experience before telling someone that it can be, when my experience is that it is unquestionable that they have an effect.
I've got decades of experience working in the computer industry and fully understand that, in theory, these changes can't modify the sound quality one bit. That's why I was so baffled 20 years back when changing some of the settings did make a difference.
Doing searches on the subject didn't bring up any explanations. That only makes it weirder.
Sit down with a great system and play with some of the settings. Listen. It might surprise you.
And if it doesn't, that's fine. We all come into this hobby from a different angle.
Doing searches on the subject didn't bring up any explanations. That only makes it weirder.
Sit down with a great system and play with some of the settings. Listen. It might surprise you.
And if it doesn't, that's fine. We all come into this hobby from a different angle.
I have plenty of experience with people chasing dragons, at the most basic level your ears could lie to you and since this is not a common/known issue that is most likely. The zero cost moode might also be exhausting the price/performance buffer with it sitting behind the ML DAC. Buttons are there to push, make all the changes you like
Oh I will talk all I like, you should refrain from telling people what to do, it gives the impression you have no argument and no social skills…I have pushed all the buttons and know exactly what they do and what they do not do.
I doubt that you have done any real tests. The differences are not small and cant be ignored.
So please test, and show some photo of the process.
Then I will believe that you at least tried.
Allo DigiOne and good external DAC with SPDIF connection please. Use the galvanic isolation option in the DigiOne.
So please test, and show some photo of the process.
Then I will believe that you at least tried.
Allo DigiOne and good external DAC with SPDIF connection please. Use the galvanic isolation option in the DigiOne.
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If you understood basic cpu / operating system architectures you wouldn't be making such statements.
This is nonsensical gibberish, the audio buffer is just a data bucket held in RAM, there is absolutely no mechanism for the audio buffer to modify the harmonics of a audio waveform. This is just inventing things that simply don't exist.
You are making assumptions about peoples experiences and at the same time stating that your experience is the irrefutable truth, I would put my trust in peoples technical knowledge and expertise over someones statement about "experience" without having the fundamental understanding of the subject of which they are commenting.
Fiddling with kernel system settings and making statements about improvements falls under the guise of "Expectation Bias".
I'm a computer engineer by education and design automation systems for HVAC systems in bigger buildings as my daily work so I would not call myself ignorant on the topic.
I just notice that it really have an impact and I can only hope for someone like you to try it yourself and form an opinion based on experimental experience and not one based on belief only.
I just notice that it really have an impact and I can only hope for someone like you to try it yourself and form an opinion based on experimental experience and not one based on belief only.
Then you should have no trouble proving it with a properly performed and documented blind test.
Do you also tweak various low-level settings in those controllers and expect a change in air quality?
Yes I can take part in a blind test.
You pay for my both way train ticket and pick up me and my equipment at Copenhagen railway station.
I spend the time and you spend the money...
You pay for my both way train ticket and pick up me and my equipment at Copenhagen railway station.
I spend the time and you spend the money...
Oh flex2 your so right changing the buffer is like a huge rainbow exploding out of my speakers, the chocolate undertones, the cherry finish, the timing correlated to the equation of state of a neutron star, the music flying through the IP stack without touching a single digital hair. Pay for a train ticket? No no I’m sending you up on spaceX so that you may share your insightful epiphany with our music loving gray alien overlords.
You have won, defeated the evil, proven the earth is flat and round at the same time, now can you possibly forgive all of us lesser beings for ever doubting your free software to 10k hardware ratio and STOP TROLLING
You have won, defeated the evil, proven the earth is flat and round at the same time, now can you possibly forgive all of us lesser beings for ever doubting your free software to 10k hardware ratio and STOP TROLLING
Well, a train ticket from where I live to Copenhagen train station where Henrik Enquist seems to live is 35 USD one way, so it is a solid suggestion.
Stop making things redicoulus. It's a 2 hour trip.
I truly hear these differences and are willing to put my neck at risk in a blind test. Just find the right weekend when both have time.
We can also do it the other way around.
I pay for train tickets for Henrik and let him hear my system...
Stop making things redicoulus. It's a 2 hour trip.
I truly hear these differences and are willing to put my neck at risk in a blind test. Just find the right weekend when both have time.
We can also do it the other way around.
I pay for train tickets for Henrik and let him hear my system...
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I'd hoped to avoid the "no, you're wrong" arguments. Nobody wins or changes their viewpoints when taking opposing sides on the Internet.
But I went into computer audio settings as a seasoned computer professional understanding full well that these changes couldn't change the sound. I was not expecting it to change the sound so it's not even confirmation bias.
I heard what I heard. Had several audio friends over to do a blind test, too. They all heard it, even the one guy who was also a computer professional. He was as perplexed about it as I was, because again, it's not supposed to be able to alter the sound.
You're perfectly within your right to think it's impossible. Your also free to have thoughts on cables, horn speakers, tubes and any and every audio topology out there.
This is my last post on the subject as there are two groups that have drawn lines in the sand and are going to go to great lengths to prove their side correct. It's not something I can fix nor do I wish to continue the conversation. Frankly, life is too short.
Gentlemen, enjoy what's left of your weekend. Listen to some tunes ...
But I went into computer audio settings as a seasoned computer professional understanding full well that these changes couldn't change the sound. I was not expecting it to change the sound so it's not even confirmation bias.
I heard what I heard. Had several audio friends over to do a blind test, too. They all heard it, even the one guy who was also a computer professional. He was as perplexed about it as I was, because again, it's not supposed to be able to alter the sound.
You're perfectly within your right to think it's impossible. Your also free to have thoughts on cables, horn speakers, tubes and any and every audio topology out there.
This is my last post on the subject as there are two groups that have drawn lines in the sand and are going to go to great lengths to prove their side correct. It's not something I can fix nor do I wish to continue the conversation. Frankly, life is too short.
Gentlemen, enjoy what's left of your weekend. Listen to some tunes ...