Take a look in the mirror Jam, have you thought about that?
Its quite simple guys we have rules. They have been placed there for a reason. Jason implimented them for a reason. They are there to be followed. Out of all honesty how hards that? and yet you guys complain about it.
Im sorry but if you guys are gonna to do the crime, then you're gonna pay the time, its that simple, the choice is yours.
I think alot of you guys forget somtimes just how patient us modds are towards you guys. Hell, how manny other forums you know off even have a Sin Bin? Most just ban.
How manny other forums have a thread such as this one, off topic ect? We give you guys free speech, lets not abuse this.
We give you guys slack and we get slammed for it, so lets think about it, who's fair? What do you guys think is a solution? Should we just ban the offenders in the future and drop the will of free speech? Should we just let you guys run a riot and watch the smart guys leave? (who wont tollerate crap), or should we all get on with things here and be abit more understanding towards each other.
Its your choice, and you dont have to be here.
As for having the smart guys running off i think you guys realy need to take a step back and think on things here. How manny people that you know of that holds a degree is gonna want to stay in a kindigarden class longer then a day? come on now guys i think your all abit smarter then that.
Trev🙂
This place, our forum is magnificent, but, nothing is perfect in this world.
Despite of well organized, created and well moderated to (evaluation by results... people calm almost all the time), has the terrific characteristic of the human passion, love and hate.
Human interests, empathy are here too.
Those things are never precise, and many times not fair too.
Also, no one can be good to everybody, as we are all different, and cultures also make terrible mass.
Someday i asked someone a picture of his family...the guy took that as an offense.... and in my culture, the offense is to hide your family!... presentation must be completed.... name, face, shacking hands, family picture and all needed informations, answer all questions...nothing is intimate or have to be hidden...here, the ones not show their faces are the bandits, murderers or something alike.
Moderators will make good job almost all the time.... will make terrible mistakes other time.... and that's human failure spectations.
I will unsubscribe, as this subject put me real sad.
by guys...he happy... and smile, as you can be the next!
Carlos
Despite of well organized, created and well moderated to (evaluation by results... people calm almost all the time), has the terrific characteristic of the human passion, love and hate.
Human interests, empathy are here too.
Those things are never precise, and many times not fair too.
Also, no one can be good to everybody, as we are all different, and cultures also make terrible mass.
Someday i asked someone a picture of his family...the guy took that as an offense.... and in my culture, the offense is to hide your family!... presentation must be completed.... name, face, shacking hands, family picture and all needed informations, answer all questions...nothing is intimate or have to be hidden...here, the ones not show their faces are the bandits, murderers or something alike.
Moderators will make good job almost all the time.... will make terrible mistakes other time.... and that's human failure spectations.
I will unsubscribe, as this subject put me real sad.
by guys...he happy... and smile, as you can be the next!
Carlos
What a Mess
Hi Carlos, That is a very nice post of you. I guess you mean mess instead of mass?
I will not unsubscribe to this thread though it makes me sad too. I am curious for the outcome but not optimistic. 😡
destroyer X said:
Hi Carlos, That is a very nice post of you. I guess you mean mess instead of mass?
I will not unsubscribe to this thread though it makes me sad too. I am curious for the outcome but not optimistic. 😡
as long as...
civilized people will take their time in xxxxxland to calm down again (and I am pretty sure they will) there is hope for this diy paradiso😉 😉
Uli
civilized people will take their time in xxxxxland to calm down again (and I am pretty sure they will) there is hope for this diy paradiso😉 😉
Uli
THD of this forum is 0.01%? not bad at all. 😀peranders said:
How about mods assign each member a THD figure? H3 sounding pretty bad, H9 extremely unpleasant. 😎
Set a threshold of "clipping" after which sin-bin is in the view. Change the figure as a function of mod interactions.
I would think of SNR and DR too, but well.
Ups, order of magnitude error. What we do with THD over here? We eliminate non-linearities 😉Calimero said:
Seriously, people, you are just venting. Realising that is the first step towards resolution.
There are many people here who never ever get into unpleasant conflict. Every single one of you was like that when you initially joined here. Some people stay like that, others get increasing feeling that they own this place, and allow themselves a relaxed attitude. Its these people who poison place like this - instead of talking about ideas, things get personal. I don't mean those people are bad, they don't do that intentionally, all sorts of forums have this influence on people for some reason.
IMO, even this is not sufficient, although much better than just ban. Sin-bin is a punishment, embarrassing, sort of soft-banning. It almost always comes as a surprise, especially after balancing on the verge of permitted. Some forums have adopted method of warning system - you go under "yellow" upon initial sin, and if not calming down, raised to "red" with possible enforcements.
What makes this different - is the clear predictability of outcome of your further actions while under warning. People are not discrete systems, they can't easily switch on and off, they need a "deceleration headroom" to back off with style. Putting people under yellow warning gives them psychological freedom of choice - make things worse or calm down. This gives them a way to avoid feeling disgraced.
As to mod bashing - make a thread for the mod in question, and everybody speaks up who has issues with him. If evidence is substantial, mod team would look into it. Then it will be also clearly evident how many people are unhappy with the situation. No need for speculations - its easy.
And make constructive proposals. Whining leads nowhere.
I'd stress that point even more. Its not a nurturing institution, and its the kindergarten atmosphere that scares away smart people with valuable input.
My intentions are not 'mod bashing'!!
Furthermore I like this forum, and have no intentions (yet) to leave (as hinted by our mod ace30000_1. I find such a response on criticism not an evidence of respect towards those that have another opinions on things that happen here.
There is a thread to discuss these issues, I value that and also make use of it. I expect at the same time that questions raised her are at least tried to be answered. I am still waiting on some answers of the other mods (see post #550).
I''ll try for the last time to explain in (my) plain English what points I have:
1) IMO this place is for discussing audio-related issues, in way to learn and get more understanding about what in designs makes good and what makes bad audio. This place should inspire people to share their ideas.
There are people coming here for other reasons, they want to buy things and sell things. No problem as long as such members have something of value to contribute to that audio discussion. When that is not the case and their main interest is selling PCB's, than I want Mods to come in action and protect our main value. It doesn't matter to me if the PCB is from a design out of a data-book. Is this a place to bring together DIYaudio buyers and sellers? I would say as long as those persons have interesting things to contribute YES. else take actions to control the increasing commercialism. (clear till here??)
2) What are the actions taken to control this trend? PerA doesn't see this increasing commercialism as a problem (given his commercial talents, I know why).
3) This forum has become so popular due to people like Pedja, Till and other technically inspired members, that haven't asked for the increasing commercialising of this forum. It are those members that have something valuable to contribute to the discussions. Their posts have been ignored by the mods, (with what reasons???). In some sense it is thanks to those people this forum is what it is. Their reactions are from that point of view very understandable, and it is missed chance nothing has been done with it.
Instead of leaving (because that doesn't solve anything) I chose to stay and try to make my points as opposition against the spreading 'MacDonald' culture, that has nothing of value to offer.
My advise for now would be:
- monitor the contribution of members in a measurable way, and only allow people with a certain contribution level to sell things, in group buys. Else should be treated as the commercial members.
- define a mission/vison statement for this forum (to make clear what this forum stand for)
Regards Henk
Furthermore I like this forum, and have no intentions (yet) to leave (as hinted by our mod ace30000_1. I find such a response on criticism not an evidence of respect towards those that have another opinions on things that happen here.
There is a thread to discuss these issues, I value that and also make use of it. I expect at the same time that questions raised her are at least tried to be answered. I am still waiting on some answers of the other mods (see post #550).
I''ll try for the last time to explain in (my) plain English what points I have:
1) IMO this place is for discussing audio-related issues, in way to learn and get more understanding about what in designs makes good and what makes bad audio. This place should inspire people to share their ideas.
There are people coming here for other reasons, they want to buy things and sell things. No problem as long as such members have something of value to contribute to that audio discussion. When that is not the case and their main interest is selling PCB's, than I want Mods to come in action and protect our main value. It doesn't matter to me if the PCB is from a design out of a data-book. Is this a place to bring together DIYaudio buyers and sellers? I would say as long as those persons have interesting things to contribute YES. else take actions to control the increasing commercialism. (clear till here??)
2) What are the actions taken to control this trend? PerA doesn't see this increasing commercialism as a problem (given his commercial talents, I know why).
3) This forum has become so popular due to people like Pedja, Till and other technically inspired members, that haven't asked for the increasing commercialising of this forum. It are those members that have something valuable to contribute to the discussions. Their posts have been ignored by the mods, (with what reasons???). In some sense it is thanks to those people this forum is what it is. Their reactions are from that point of view very understandable, and it is missed chance nothing has been done with it.
Instead of leaving (because that doesn't solve anything) I chose to stay and try to make my points as opposition against the spreading 'MacDonald' culture, that has nothing of value to offer.
My advise for now would be:
- monitor the contribution of members in a measurable way, and only allow people with a certain contribution level to sell things, in group buys. Else should be treated as the commercial members.
- define a mission/vison statement for this forum (to make clear what this forum stand for)
Regards Henk
What conflict? This is not a democracy. It's a forum.
Personally I see it as relevant only in that it maintains a dialogue.
If your insisting on peranders being here just to buy and sell, and not contributing, run up a search under his name.
My search results show that he has contributed in over 2000 threads
Trev🙂
As far as I am concerned it is that also.
The funny thing is no-one has complained about the UCD180 thread...one of the most commercial threads I've spotted going
on. I don't mind. It easily falls within the borders of what most of us find acceptable.
We have offered a specific forum to post commercials. And still remove advertising where found. If you report a case where PerA sells a commercial product it will be treated just like any person's post. Groupbuys are allowed and are also appreciated it seems.
What posts?
Read my post correctly Trev,...
I wrote:
PerA doesn't see this increasing commercialism as a problem (given his commercial talents, I know why).
and it seems that: Bas and Trev join himin this standpoint.
That doesn't read "(nor can be read) as:
Henk
I wrote:
PerA doesn't see this increasing commercialism as a problem (given his commercial talents, I know why).
and it seems that: Bas and Trev join himin this standpoint.
That doesn't read "(nor can be read) as:
Henk
The UCD180 thread, Bass, ..
fits my definition from earlier post.
I am not the judge here, so I will not point to you the postages that I find in conflict with the rules and objectives of this forum.
The post of Pedja, which has been closed by SY and I can't find anymore.
I can not myself report about activities of mods, that are untraceble. I can't see what posts are (re)moved because of comercialism. I do read occasionaly that posts of members misterioiusly disappear. But that is another subject'.
Henk
PS: I want to state here (to prevent members get the wrong impression about me), that I put my hat off for all moderators here. I (c/w)ouldn't want to do your work.
One tip consider criticisim (doesn't matter in what way expressed) as a free advise how to improve things.
fits my definition from earlier post.
I am not the judge here, so I will not point to you the postages that I find in conflict with the rules and objectives of this forum.
The post of Pedja, which has been closed by SY and I can't find anymore.
I can not myself report about activities of mods, that are untraceble. I can't see what posts are (re)moved because of comercialism. I do read occasionaly that posts of members misterioiusly disappear. But that is another subject'.
Henk
PS: I want to state here (to prevent members get the wrong impression about me), that I put my hat off for all moderators here. I (c/w)ouldn't want to do your work.
One tip consider criticisim (doesn't matter in what way expressed) as a free advise how to improve things.
Not true, there are quite a few around in various threads.
They normally go into the Trash Bin after we have emailed the member stating the reason why the post was deleted.
Post or thread? could be in Texas
The only posts that we either move or delete are the rule breaking threads/posts. Everything that we do we email the member on what has been done, wheather that person receives that email or not is another story. It is advised people upgrade either their email adress in their profile ( if changed) or atleast check to see if our email has been blocked by their email server.
Any other post that goes missing we dont know about and is more then likley cause by some system glitch. Its happend to me before, a couple of times actually.
Trev🙂
You guys are being disingenuous.
Recently, one of our fearless leaders said that if anyone had any gripes to send them to him. I did. Met with silence. I guess silence is better than "We have heard this before, we don't believe it. End of discussion." Which is the usual response.
I get tired of having to bring up these issues, only to hear "We don't believe that", "We have heard it before", "We know these guys, and have never seen any of that", "Sounds like BS to me", etc. Everyone else here seems to know about all this crap, but you guys seem to have very selective powers of observation when it comes to one of your own.
You seem comfortable letting a few individuals act as if this is their own private forum, to do as they please. Which usually involves trying to extract pizza money form the members. Whether they are successful or not is not the issue. The fact that they try is, not if they are any good at it or not.
And don't try to tell me that I have never brought any of this up before with you guys before. I will dump all the dirt in public if I hear that crap again.
Capisce?
Signoro Cavolo
Recently, one of our fearless leaders said that if anyone had any gripes to send them to him. I did. Met with silence. I guess silence is better than "We have heard this before, we don't believe it. End of discussion." Which is the usual response.
I get tired of having to bring up these issues, only to hear "We don't believe that", "We have heard it before", "We know these guys, and have never seen any of that", "Sounds like BS to me", etc. Everyone else here seems to know about all this crap, but you guys seem to have very selective powers of observation when it comes to one of your own.
You seem comfortable letting a few individuals act as if this is their own private forum, to do as they please. Which usually involves trying to extract pizza money form the members. Whether they are successful or not is not the issue. The fact that they try is, not if they are any good at it or not.
And don't try to tell me that I have never brought any of this up before with you guys before. I will dump all the dirt in public if I hear that crap again.
Capisce?
Signoro Cavolo
Found Pedja's post (and thread)
It is here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=516499#post516499
regards Henk
It is here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=516499#post516499
regards Henk
You guys want to vote...
well i have something that does need voting on...
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diyAudio Forums - IMPORTANT: 1st round of diyAudio logo ballotting
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well i have something that does need voting on...
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46711
diyAudio Forums - IMPORTANT: 1st round of diyAudio logo ballotting
dave
Jocko Homo said:
Well said.
BTW, how come I can't see the activity record for this thread in the opening window any more?
Regards,
Milan
I was on a business trip for the last few days and couldn't take any look at diyaudio.
Now I saw the sinbin thread updated:
Jean-Paul wrote on November 27th:
SY wrote on November 28th:
Can a moderator explain how a sinbinned member can be banned one day after being sinbinned and before "waking up" from sinbin? He could not have posted in his "abusive and bigoted language" during his short sinbin, could he?
Thanks for a short answer.
Ciao, Tino
Now I saw the sinbin thread updated:
Jean-Paul wrote on November 27th:
SY wrote on November 28th:
Can a moderator explain how a sinbinned member can be banned one day after being sinbinned and before "waking up" from sinbin? He could not have posted in his "abusive and bigoted language" during his short sinbin, could he?
Thanks for a short answer.
Ciao, Tino
Well put Jocko.
Sidestepping issues or pleading ignorance seems to be the way things are run here. Anyone who raises a question, which is not in the interests of the moderation team is branded a troublemaker.
Why has this thread been moved from the main forum? Questions, questions, questions............?
Sidestepping issues or pleading ignorance seems to be the way things are run here. Anyone who raises a question, which is not in the interests of the moderation team is branded a troublemaker.
Why has this thread been moved from the main forum? Questions, questions, questions............?
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