J-p,
Let's keep on subject - are you saying that Frank's little speeches in that thread were acceptable?
Let's keep on subject - are you saying that Frank's little speeches in that thread were acceptable?
Al,
It’s not so much that I disagree with your closing this thread,
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=190295#post190295
which I do (disagree), but with the reason given for closing it while allowing this one
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=190417#post190417
to continue unabated. I feel it was a bit of an editorial statement on your part, for which I also disagree.
Dave,
Just for the record, I disagree with Frank’s sinbining. I think it was a premature judgment.
I realize you guys aren’t here to please me, nor would I expect it of you. Of course, not being constrained by your sensibilities or moderating responsibilities, and not being privy to what may have went on in the background, these are just my thoughts on the matter.
It’s not so much that I disagree with your closing this thread,
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=190295#post190295
which I do (disagree), but with the reason given for closing it while allowing this one
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=190417#post190417
to continue unabated. I feel it was a bit of an editorial statement on your part, for which I also disagree.
Dave,
Just for the record, I disagree with Frank’s sinbining. I think it was a premature judgment.
I realize you guys aren’t here to please me, nor would I expect it of you. Of course, not being constrained by your sensibilities or moderating responsibilities, and not being privy to what may have went on in the background, these are just my thoughts on the matter.
Rodd, FWIW, I agree with you about Frank- his anti-American rantings were not particularly offensive to this right-winger, more like amusing. But I'm not the poor shmuck who has the responsibility of keeping this group of cats herded, so I'm rather reluctant to second-guess the mods. Hey, they haven't put me in the Hole yet, so they've got to have some amazing tolerance.
roddyama said:
A long time ago, the mods decided to leave that thread as the official place where people could go bash their heads on socio-political issues, and then we pushed it as far into the background as we could.
No matter who, where, what, when there will be differing socio-political ideas so you have to have a release somewhere or it will keep popping up everywhere (which it still does to some extent).
dave
Joel said:
I agree that Frank was unecessarily provocative and that it
was quite uncalled for from the start. However, considering
your insulting all europeans and claiming the superiority
of the USA in the Support-peace... thread, I don't think you
are in a position to judge him.
planet10 said:
A long time ago, the mods decided to leave that thread as the official place where people could go bash their heads on socio-political issues, and then we pushed it as far into the background as we could.
No matter who, where, what, when there will be differing socio-political ideas so you have to have a release somewhere or it will keep popping up everywhere (which it still does to some extent).
dave
The “Disclaimer” save my as… face again.😉
roddyama said:
Thanks for your comments Rodd, and in a way we are here to please you, but I think a misquotation might help here -
"You can please 90% of the people all of the time, or please all the people 90% of the time..."
I thought hard about closing that thread, as I do about all my Modding decisions, but in the end, I thought it the best way of heading off trouble. We already have two valuble members in the Sinbin, and I didn't really want to see any more in there, as seemed inevitable if the discussion carried on the way it was going. As , ( I hope), you can see from my closing post, I suspected the decision might be unpopular with some, but that is all part of the job, and my popularity isn't really that important in relation to the well being of the forums.
Anyway, did someone mention a Nuvistor amp?😉
planet10 said:
I agree with the action, I disagree with Dave's reason. I think that the Support Peace thread is a good thread, overall. It's a better discussion of the subject than you are likely to find elsewhere on the internet.
I don't think you should close "America Land Of" thread and keep the "Support Peace" thread open because you feel there should be only one lousy thread going at a time. I think you should keep the "Support Peace" thread open because it is a far better thread than the "America Land Of" thread is, with a far better chance of staying better.
The Support Peace thread covers an ever-changing story, so fresh developments can lead to new and interesting debate points. The "America Land Of" thread started off with a ridiculous blast by Frank deGrove-repudiated by thoughtful European DIYers-and then continued into the area of American Cultural Imperialism.
Whatever else you might wish to say about American Cultural Imperialism, it is not a quick-changing, front page news type of thing. It was settling into the same thing over and over, with no place to go, no new concrete figures to be produced, etc.
The Iraq thread had it's boring, repetitive parts, no question, but new develpments augur more fresh debate in the future. The story is changing, so it likely won't get stale soon. The "America Land Of" thread was already beginning to fall into personal bickering.
In short-the "Support Peace" thread looks like it has a chance to go somewhere, the "America Land Of" thread did not. That is why one should continue, the other not.
Pinkmouse made the right call here.
Politics anyone?
While difficult and provocative, these non-audio issues are issues that elicit passionate responses, as they should.
It is also, I believe, a good thing to provide us a forum independent of our main passion in which to discuss them.
We are a diverse group in our beliefs of technology, the aesthetics of audio, our demographics and politics.
Inevitably as we share our ideas with our on line associates within the boundaries of the technical forums it will be inevitable that out of mutual intellectual interest that we will spill over into the (perhaps) more controversial areas of social and political order.
The caution must be to insure that this additional discourse not usurp our primary interests in being here. While mutual respect and polite (gentlemanly?) behavior should suffice to keep us within these bounds, it would seem that a touch of moderation would be appropriate. Fair and impartial, of course, but we are human.
Our moderators also seem to reflect the diversity of our interests. I think it is worth keeping in mind however, that pushing off schoolyard spats and solving the worlds problems are not likely the reasons why they each commit the extra hours in keeping the forum in tact.
Perhaps an /other_stuff/world_society forum would be appropriate? But my god, who, in their right mind, could possibly read all the inevitable dreck, while feigning off the slings and arrows of the ungrateful posters?
Lets continue to be direct with each other, and even when we don’t feel its warranted, to be polite with each other. Its supposed to be fun isn’t it?
While difficult and provocative, these non-audio issues are issues that elicit passionate responses, as they should.
It is also, I believe, a good thing to provide us a forum independent of our main passion in which to discuss them.
We are a diverse group in our beliefs of technology, the aesthetics of audio, our demographics and politics.
Inevitably as we share our ideas with our on line associates within the boundaries of the technical forums it will be inevitable that out of mutual intellectual interest that we will spill over into the (perhaps) more controversial areas of social and political order.
The caution must be to insure that this additional discourse not usurp our primary interests in being here. While mutual respect and polite (gentlemanly?) behavior should suffice to keep us within these bounds, it would seem that a touch of moderation would be appropriate. Fair and impartial, of course, but we are human.
Our moderators also seem to reflect the diversity of our interests. I think it is worth keeping in mind however, that pushing off schoolyard spats and solving the worlds problems are not likely the reasons why they each commit the extra hours in keeping the forum in tact.
Perhaps an /other_stuff/world_society forum would be appropriate? But my god, who, in their right mind, could possibly read all the inevitable dreck, while feigning off the slings and arrows of the ungrateful posters?
Lets continue to be direct with each other, and even when we don’t feel its warranted, to be polite with each other. Its supposed to be fun isn’t it?
Did anyone see Joel's post following that one? I checked out the thread and saw a very nice discussion. Yet Joel thought the Moderators should look at it.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=16385&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
I certainly hope for his sake that Joel just gave the wrong thread number. I would hate to think that he actually saw something wrong with that thread!
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=16385&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
I certainly hope for his sake that Joel just gave the wrong thread number. I would hate to think that he actually saw something wrong with that thread!
Well, that didn't take too long, just a week. What do you think of that Jam.
Dave, Al, This is the response I received just a page back in this thread on why a particular action was taken WRT 2 "socio-political" threads in question.
Why you would bin Jocko and not Mike and/or me is even more baffling. I disagree with this mod action completely.
Dave, Al, This is the response I received just a page back in this thread on why a particular action was taken WRT 2 "socio-political" threads in question.
Now a completely different action is taken for simular situation. Has there been a change of policy? Did you guys get together and decide that the above policy is no longer valid?planet10 said:
A long time ago, the mods decided to leave that thread as the official place where people could go bash their heads on socio-political issues, and then we pushed it as far into the background as we could.
No matter who, where, what, when there will be differing socio-political ideas so you have to have a release somewhere or it will keep popping up everywhere (which it still does to some extent).
dave
Why you would bin Jocko and not Mike and/or me is even more baffling. I disagree with this mod action completely.
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