I honestly think you ought to calm down; take a stress pill and think things over.
"In any case, the point is, how much is 'enough'? Clearly there must be some point where enough is enough. Fred reached that point and was permanently banned and the only reason he's still here is because you found out that you simply couldn't ban him at all."
I wouldn't count on that if I were you.......... Despite my "creative discord," I am fairly certain that I could be blocked permanently. One could switch ISPs and user names but you would probably be outed by someone who would recognized your persona at some point from your writing style and content. I would hope that the reason I am still here is that I have something to contribute and even more to learn from some of the less prolific posters (in quantity not quality). There is a lot of good stuff amongst the fluff here if you have the desire to notice it.
The big question is why would someone want to stay if nobody wanted you here. Even someone as thick skinned as me, finally knows when to give it a rest. Threads that go on for days with little new information being added and back and forth arguing where the intent is to have the last word, are a sure sign that it is time to give it a rest for a few days. When I see someone post several post in a row without even waiting for others responses, a famous piece of movie dialog comes to mind:
"Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye."
"In any case, the point is, how much is 'enough'? Clearly there must be some point where enough is enough. Fred reached that point and was permanently banned and the only reason he's still here is because you found out that you simply couldn't ban him at all."
I wouldn't count on that if I were you.......... Despite my "creative discord," I am fairly certain that I could be blocked permanently. One could switch ISPs and user names but you would probably be outed by someone who would recognized your persona at some point from your writing style and content. I would hope that the reason I am still here is that I have something to contribute and even more to learn from some of the less prolific posters (in quantity not quality). There is a lot of good stuff amongst the fluff here if you have the desire to notice it.
The big question is why would someone want to stay if nobody wanted you here. Even someone as thick skinned as me, finally knows when to give it a rest. Threads that go on for days with little new information being added and back and forth arguing where the intent is to have the last word, are a sure sign that it is time to give it a rest for a few days. When I see someone post several post in a row without even waiting for others responses, a famous piece of movie dialog comes to mind:
"Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye."
i fear he (Fred) wants to leave us. Look´s like this was his only post since beeing freed from sinbin.
Re: I honestly think you ought to calm down; take a stress pill and think things over.
Heck Fred, I got ticked at you for jumping on me as Artnoise, but the truth is I like you despite your warts.
Phil
Fred Dieckmann said:
Heck Fred, I got ticked at you for jumping on me as Artnoise, but the truth is I like you despite your warts.
Phil
SOMEHOW....
Hi,
No, I don't think Fred wants to leave us...read his post carefully, especially the fine print.😉
Jam,
Sushi time again?
Cheers,😉
Hi,
No, I don't think Fred wants to leave us...read his post carefully, especially the fine print.😉
Jam,
Sushi time again?
Cheers,😉
Fred its always good to have a cynical view...it keeps everyones heads up and thinking....I hope you stick around....Hell....I`m running out of places to go....thank God I admin a site..LOL
DIRT®
DIRT®
I hope you are right. My english - skills are not that good as yours, so with "fine prints" i have my problems. I will read it sometimes more.
I KNOW WHAT I KNOW.
Hi Till,
Fred said that there's no point in people/members discussing this yes I know/ no, you don't kind of discussions for too long.
He actually says a lot more than that, but I leave that finer print open to your interpretation.
Safer that way,😉
Hi Till,
Fred said that there's no point in people/members discussing this yes I know/ no, you don't kind of discussions for too long.
He actually says a lot more than that, but I leave that finer print open to your interpretation.
Safer that way,😉
So, Frank, now that you're up and around, when can we expect to see those quotes of me talking about crystal orientation and making U-turns?
Or were you just kicking me in the shins to see if I was awake?
se
Or were you just kicking me in the shins to see if I was awake?
se
I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it.
"Or were you just kicking me in the shins to see if I was awake?"
This is exactly the kind of baiting that brings to mind the line:
"Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye."
till,
The fine print is literally the small writing in an advertisement that they don't want want you to read. It consist of disclaimers, qualifications, cautions, and clarifications. The lawyers make them put it in to try to keep the company from getting sued over the extravegant claims made in the large print part of the ad. We even have them in commercials to try to keep keep stupid people from doing things with the product that the advertiser thought would make you notice it. Driving underwater in your car for example. I am still waiting for the one that tells you that good looking women don't flock around you for drinking a certain brand of beer.
The small print in a forum post reply would go along the lines of:
I was taken out of context.
That's not what I meant.
I never said that.
Where did you get that idea.
I was only kidding.
I already said that. (If someone actually stumbles on the point that you were vaguely hinting at.)
Do you get the idea? My explanations in replies seem to be largely due to few people recognizing the effort at humor. I spent a lengthy post explaining a pun based on adding a single letter to a guys name and using two homonyms of common for letter words. This was with a native english speaker and seemed to cause great distress on his part!
HINT:
When you see a strange word, phase, or name in my post, a two minute trip on the search engine will make it pretty simple in most cases. I am sometimes a victum of my own humor. A picture of a very evil and deranged Marlon Brando from Apocalypes Now caused a forum member to be convinced that it was a picture of me! Jocko and I laughed till we turned blue. This was a nice european gentleman that has always been kind and posted very useful information. I felt bad that he thought I looked that evil and deranged. Most of the sock puppet post were along this line but went unoticed for quite awhile. Several were actually covinced that I was a women when I borrowed the name of the girl that Lewis Carroll based Alice in Wonderland on. The picture and the link below (the clue is in Latin on the link) is a hint for the inspiration of a recently mentioned sock puppet (that's non de plume for those of you with a Find Art's education).
http://home.coqui.net/menace/iseamonkey.htm#historia
I just remembered. even the member profile had some hints and a picture of my favorite non de plume........
"Or were you just kicking me in the shins to see if I was awake?"
This is exactly the kind of baiting that brings to mind the line:
"Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye."
till,
The fine print is literally the small writing in an advertisement that they don't want want you to read. It consist of disclaimers, qualifications, cautions, and clarifications. The lawyers make them put it in to try to keep the company from getting sued over the extravegant claims made in the large print part of the ad. We even have them in commercials to try to keep keep stupid people from doing things with the product that the advertiser thought would make you notice it. Driving underwater in your car for example. I am still waiting for the one that tells you that good looking women don't flock around you for drinking a certain brand of beer.
The small print in a forum post reply would go along the lines of:
I was taken out of context.
That's not what I meant.
I never said that.
Where did you get that idea.
I was only kidding.
I already said that. (If someone actually stumbles on the point that you were vaguely hinting at.)
Do you get the idea? My explanations in replies seem to be largely due to few people recognizing the effort at humor. I spent a lengthy post explaining a pun based on adding a single letter to a guys name and using two homonyms of common for letter words. This was with a native english speaker and seemed to cause great distress on his part!
HINT:
When you see a strange word, phase, or name in my post, a two minute trip on the search engine will make it pretty simple in most cases. I am sometimes a victum of my own humor. A picture of a very evil and deranged Marlon Brando from Apocalypes Now caused a forum member to be convinced that it was a picture of me! Jocko and I laughed till we turned blue. This was a nice european gentleman that has always been kind and posted very useful information. I felt bad that he thought I looked that evil and deranged. Most of the sock puppet post were along this line but went unoticed for quite awhile. Several were actually covinced that I was a women when I borrowed the name of the girl that Lewis Carroll based Alice in Wonderland on. The picture and the link below (the clue is in Latin on the link) is a hint for the inspiration of a recently mentioned sock puppet (that's non de plume for those of you with a Find Art's education).
http://home.coqui.net/menace/iseamonkey.htm#historia
I just remembered. even the member profile had some hints and a picture of my favorite non de plume........
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Steve Eddy said:
Steve,
I couldn't agree more. Why is it that the members with the worst behavior are allowed to strut around the forums like they own the place? You guys would be gone at any other bulletin boards - but I fear that our moderators actually admire you in some bizarre way...
Fred, Frank, and Mr Feedback: do the three of you ever shut up? 😕
It is hard to find an even keel with moderation. We try to err on the side of minimum moderation, and with mods in place for less than a year trying to find the things that work. We try to let members work things out themselves (ie a true democracy = anarchy) but sometimes it seems human nature takes anarchy to that place that has left the word with a bad connotaion.
For Fred, as much as i see him in the threads, his 2 month SinBin seems to have done him a world of good. He is still his regular self, but he pretty much behaves. There are a few who seem to push the limits, and recently a couple i'm right, your wrong, no i'm right, ad nauseum since neither party seems to be willing to let the other have the last word. pinkmouse has come up with waht seems an effective tool for these kinds of things -- just close the thread. For harder cases we may just have to throw the anvil at people. A prolonged SinBin -- or period of having posts moderated may have more effect than SinBin, but a major chore for so few mods (wffectively only 4 of us). Maybe even draft a ruke about maintaing signal-to-noise ratio. Banning is somwthing that is just very hard for us to do (but maybe we could set a poll up and members could vote on the matter... i'm sure that some nominees would be quickly offered up)
We would much rather have members police themselves. Ignore the posts that you feel don't belong, instead of feeding them by responding.
Anyway us mods are currently debating the subject & constructive suggestions would be appreciated.
dave
For Fred, as much as i see him in the threads, his 2 month SinBin seems to have done him a world of good. He is still his regular self, but he pretty much behaves. There are a few who seem to push the limits, and recently a couple i'm right, your wrong, no i'm right, ad nauseum since neither party seems to be willing to let the other have the last word. pinkmouse has come up with waht seems an effective tool for these kinds of things -- just close the thread. For harder cases we may just have to throw the anvil at people. A prolonged SinBin -- or period of having posts moderated may have more effect than SinBin, but a major chore for so few mods (wffectively only 4 of us). Maybe even draft a ruke about maintaing signal-to-noise ratio. Banning is somwthing that is just very hard for us to do (but maybe we could set a poll up and members could vote on the matter... i'm sure that some nominees would be quickly offered up)
We would much rather have members police themselves. Ignore the posts that you feel don't belong, instead of feeding them by responding.
Anyway us mods are currently debating the subject & constructive suggestions would be appreciated.
dave
RE: MODERATING.
Hi,
And that was the original intend and purpose of this thread, wasn't it.
For the past few months I can only say that there's nothing whatsoever that can be rightfully blamed as being a moderators' interference fault.
I attended a school that was all about self-gouvernment and I learned a lot from it...unfortunately not everyone has had the same opportunity.
Naturally I still make stupid mistakes yet I feel that mutual respect always goes a long way.
We're all human beings and that's part of the fun.😉
The closed thread technique didn't really work in the last case but that has much to do with what went on between the two members in private...so, it shouldn't be dismissed yet.
We can't expect moderators to follow every single thread, it's just impossible to do, but let's all keep our sense of humour and try not to take things personally...
By replying to personal attacks you're just only showing you're no better than the person attacking you.
Cheers,😉
P.S. Jam, bring on the sushi, please.😉
Hi,
And that was the original intend and purpose of this thread, wasn't it.
For the past few months I can only say that there's nothing whatsoever that can be rightfully blamed as being a moderators' interference fault.
I attended a school that was all about self-gouvernment and I learned a lot from it...unfortunately not everyone has had the same opportunity.
Naturally I still make stupid mistakes yet I feel that mutual respect always goes a long way.
We're all human beings and that's part of the fun.😉
The closed thread technique didn't really work in the last case but that has much to do with what went on between the two members in private...so, it shouldn't be dismissed yet.
We can't expect moderators to follow every single thread, it's just impossible to do, but let's all keep our sense of humour and try not to take things personally...
By replying to personal attacks you're just only showing you're no better than the person attacking you.
Cheers,😉
P.S. Jam, bring on the sushi, please.😉
Re: RE: MODERATING.
Wasn't much that went on. mrfeedback sent me an unsolicited EMail a week ago which related to a completely different thread. My reply to that unsolicited EMail was a quite terse "******* you, punk." mrfeedback then posted that reply in this other thread which was subsequently shut down (after having removed his original message text which was automatically quoted and included in my reply, apparently to make it look as if I'd just up and out of the blue EMailed him the "******* you, punk").
For the record, I've never sent mrfeedback any unsolicited EMail. I have only replied to unsolicited EMail to me from him.
Mmmm. Weird. In the quote of my reply to mrfeedback, I used the letter F followed by three asterisks. For some reason, the system changed it to a string of seven asterisks. Anyway, the word had four letters, not seven. 🙂
se
fdegrove said:
Wasn't much that went on. mrfeedback sent me an unsolicited EMail a week ago which related to a completely different thread. My reply to that unsolicited EMail was a quite terse "******* you, punk." mrfeedback then posted that reply in this other thread which was subsequently shut down (after having removed his original message text which was automatically quoted and included in my reply, apparently to make it look as if I'd just up and out of the blue EMailed him the "******* you, punk").
For the record, I've never sent mrfeedback any unsolicited EMail. I have only replied to unsolicited EMail to me from him.
Mmmm. Weird. In the quote of my reply to mrfeedback, I used the letter F followed by three asterisks. For some reason, the system changed it to a string of seven asterisks. Anyway, the word had four letters, not seven. 🙂
se
Hi,
Just count yourself lucky it wasn't me you sent it to.
And you're sure it was unrelated to that particular thread?
Either way, an impolite response like that says a lot about your personality, enough in fact to have you put on my " ignore forever" list.
And stop your carping, please.
Just count yourself lucky it wasn't me you sent it to.
And you're sure it was unrelated to that particular thread?
Either way, an impolite response like that says a lot about your personality, enough in fact to have you put on my " ignore forever" list.
And stop your carping, please.
Wanted: Antagonist Please apply to address below.
Joel, Steve, and others with an underdeveloped sense of humor ..........
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3734
Add to Your Ignor List hyper link at bottom middle of page
"For the record, I've never...."
Please add to my list of:
"The small print in a forum post reply would go along the lines of:"
For all other hate mail:
fdieck7800@aol.com
If the man doesn't believe as we do, we say he is a crank and that settles it. I mean it does nowadays, because we can't burn him. - Mark Twain
PS Every drama needs an evil genius. ( The picture is a hint for the origion of one of the moderator's user name too, I believe.)
Joel, Steve, and others with an underdeveloped sense of humor ..........
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3734
Add to Your Ignor List hyper link at bottom middle of page
"For the record, I've never...."
Please add to my list of:
"The small print in a forum post reply would go along the lines of:"
For all other hate mail:
fdieck7800@aol.com
If the man doesn't believe as we do, we say he is a crank and that settles it. I mean it does nowadays, because we can't burn him. - Mark Twain
PS Every drama needs an evil genius. ( The picture is a hint for the origion of one of the moderator's user name too, I believe.)
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Fred, I'm disappointed. The link didn't work and I was really, really in the mood for one of those, "#@!% you!" "No, YOU! $#@! YOU!" kind of discussions.
Honestly, I really do enjoy reading the arguments that you and Steve have. Lots of heat, but very educational when two smart guys really go at it. Keep it up, guys, and thanks for the mini-education you've already given me.
Honestly, I really do enjoy reading the arguments that you and Steve have. Lots of heat, but very educational when two smart guys really go at it. Keep it up, guys, and thanks for the mini-education you've already given me.
Re: Wanted: Antagonist Please apply to address below.
It certainly is -- pictured is the white lectroid's leader, the infamous Dr. John Lizardo
dave
Fred Dieckmann said:
It certainly is -- pictured is the white lectroid's leader, the infamous Dr. John Lizardo
dave
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