I understand your knowledge, but I have an equal amount of experience with many great audio products that I listened to daily for many, many years. My experiences have shown me that not ever amplifier/preamplifier/DAC, etc are great, regardless of their perceived design quality. This is an area where some non-subjective designers get into deep trouble with their lack of interest in how their "circuitry" sounds in the real world. Setting up a system to sound its absolute best is far more knowledge than you would ever imagine or give credit to I would imagine too.
There could be a great deal of cooperation that would benefit designers like yourself, if some subjective input were applied to your design processes, like most of the most famous audio designers use to create their products.
Knowledge and a closed mind to outside of your box thinking, is what constitutes arrogance and self righteousness among many designers. They simply miss the boat and always wonder why their products never receive critical acclaim and success.
I think the underlying reason for audio is overseen in this statement.
Audio recordings are an imperfect (especially in the case of stereo) picture of real world emergences and it might be that a perfect reproduction (yet to be defined) of this imperfect picture isn´t a thing a specific listener really likes if he compares it to the real world emergence.
As long as we are not able to measure audio reproduction quality in exactly the same way as a specific listener percept it, there will be, i fear, a theoretical and practical lap in the process.
And unfortunately with respect to the perception of audio quality all the mentioned extraordinary experience in a professional field doesn´t give any advantage.
And the second thought; a discussion doesn´t make sense if every participant thinks he is beholder of the ultimative truth and every other that isn´t converted to this TRUTH by no later than the second argument must be ......(insert whatever you´ve read in our threads
) Wishes
P.S. not to be misunderstanded at that point; rules of science shouldn´t be disregarded but an objectivist has to be even more careful to avoid blending of his personal beliefs with hard facts, otherwise he´ll damage science in the name of science.
Last edited:
Am I to be impressed as if i were a young school girl with your reasoning? You need to get over yourself my friend
Hi John,
Happily, everybody has the right to evolve his point of view.
Currently, Self measures harmonic distorsion on caps, you were measuring transient behaviour a long time ago.
Findings are not that different and may draw to the manufacturing of better caps for both points of view.
It seems now that ceramic capacitors which used to have very bad reputation are in fact quite good when specified as NPO or COG : thanks to detailed analysis of harmonic distorsion.
It seems syn08 will crown you as the king of outlandish audio statements as soon as he proves mathemagically that nothings sounds better than nothing as long as he can't measure the difference with his mighty instrument.
He does not need an instrument to show us that we are wrong. Just ask him
Yeees, just a small bit might work
Oh, I respect such knowledge
But in any situation, respect is "earned" not only by what is written on paper
But in a thread like this, how is our relative "status" here, if I may ask
But I expect no answer
No, this is much better than hearing what kind of a job we're doing.
Some think this:
Other this:
Me? I'm just biding my time waiting for
to show up and wondering where you all find the time for this.
That was very Denis Leary indeed. Non the less, people need to air views and explore causes of tension as reflections of trends and persuasions in audio today in general. There is no doubt that truth by proof is the only progress, as much as there no community can exist without communication.
If nobody will start swearing is all swell.
Me? I'm just biding my time waiting for
Cal(m) always
Darwin
A scientist actually published findings similar to Darwins just before he did, but was completely unnoticed
Darwin thought it was due time to publish that he knew that 30years before that
He used first half of his life to study and prove his theory
And he spent the last half of his life keeping it a secret
Because he knew how the society would react
It happened anyway
Man, the captain who transported Darwin around the world killed himself after Darwin published his findings
Thats how it was
But which of these seperate events would you respect most
Try figure it out, if possible
Last edited:
Pot calling the kettle black?
I respond to posts that are directed at me and have no intent other than to incite trouble like so many of the scientific crowd here like to do. The real delusion here is that these same members feel that they have the exclusive right to talk down to anyone with a subjective view point and that the abused party should have zero right to respond in like fashion. In my world if someone swings at me, they will find their butt on the ground in short order. The unwritten law of "don't let your mouth write a check that your butt can't cash".
Too many of the scientific crowd like to degrade the subjective listeners with snide remarks and then expect to not receive crap for such dirty tactics. These are types of things that professional adults should have outgrown I would have hoped anyway.
Am I to be impressed as if i were a young school girl with your reasoning? You need to get over yourself my friend
We should all remember that the level of education and the field it was in is generally unknown to the other members in this forum. I would never consider anyone here uneducated regardless of their beliefs or views. Some here like to constantly remind the rest of us how educated they are, but they have no idea who they are talking to in many cases.
Curly, make points but watch language. You have been warned.
Pot here.
I'm a freedom of speech type (especially my own speech) and I don't like having my words deleted. I haven't said anything here that I wouldn't in person - rather, as pointed out earlier, I constrain myself to avoid getting booted. I always try to be tactful though but tension can escalate due to this:
Some say things here they wouldn't in person, they hide in this virtual world and act altogether differently than they do in the real world. This extends to their reactions when they have been "slighted", they "vocalize" their disapproval here, belligerently where they most likely would not if confronted with the same situation in the real world. The anonymity and isolation bolsters bravery and daring, much like the kid challenging the bully when he knows the bully can't retaliate.
Much conflict could be avoided if when a criticism comes forth, you examine it for a glimmer of truth and take your lumps gracefully without lashing back or hitting the report button. If you feel the need to defend your knowledge, education or honour, do it calmly without the one-up-manship insult flinging.
By the way, I don't view myself as a bully. I try to be helpful first, sometimes this help is construed as a criticism and I wind up deflecting some verbal blows and I admit, once in a while I reply in kind. I usually don't give what I can't take though.
Right Curly?
A good idea may be to write down how old you are since we have this feature. For me it can be valuable if I know if the person in mind is 19 or 49.
You prefer the 'Wal-mart set' or 'girls just want to have fun contingent' hurdled this way a few posts back? Let's have some consistency here. Telling how none you think I'm insulting argued against the curiously religious phrasing of:
forr, I'm a BaScEE and all my male siblings are PEngs. I'm well enough familiar with the mindset. This isn't about technical merit, scientific accuracy or the state of the audio art, it's about perceived authority. Some just consider their opinions above reproach.
- Status
- Not open for further replies.