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Marriner dual PCM56 NOS DAC

You can, if you so wish, buy 20 of them from Rochester and offered matched ones.
I am pretty sure there are takers.

If enough customers ask, sure. But you have no skin in the game so I can't see a reason to do so just on your say-so.

We never have gain-mismatch problems.

Are you using the internal opamp for I/V?

But if you ever need to match gain, you can easily do it by adjusting Riv.

Clearly you don't appreciate the subtlety of this particular design. The Riv isn't "easy" to adjust as it terminates the LC filter.
 
No need to match there then. Yet I get closer to the DS variation, so far on my measurements up to 20%.

I'm confused - are you saying you expect the variation to be an order of magnitude better than claimed in the DS? Or that only new chips have the tighter tolerance?
 
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Yes we did quite a long (for us) listening session of Marriner side by side with Celi. If Marriner hadn't beaten Celi then it wouldn't have seen the light of day. As for those terms, wifey doesn't talk using that kind of vocab, she tends to focus on more musically relevant aspects like whether the players sound like they're a team or not. In that she definitely reminds me of Celibidache (the man, not the DAC) because he listened out for that kind of thing.
 
Awesome!
@henryyyy taking i2s straight from the Roi is suboptimal but will work. Look to get yourself an i2s isolator. (Ian Canada) . And then you get into the whole relocking malarkey. But serious gains come from all that.
Thanks for the tip. Will it work with Rpi4? to implement it do you need to configure the Rpi or is it plug and play? would you put the rpi4 and dac in the same enclosure? Henry
 
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Quick answer so as not to pollute Richards thread.
*Yes I assume so as Rpi GPIO pins didn't change from 3 to 4?

*Depending on what software then you probably choose generic I2s DAC.

*Many will tell you to keep i2s lines as short as possible.. . precluding the DAC in a seperate box. This is where the i2s over hdmi as LVDS can come in as Richard mentioned. I believe i2s as a non consumer level protocol was never meant to be transmitted down cable of any length, instead all at PCB and chip level. I have short i2s connections and DAC and Rpi pretty close. No problems
 
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I reckon it is, based on the datasheet numbers. But I haven't done a side by side listen to confirm, I gave up playing with TDA1543 many years ago. The key specs based on my understanding are the SNR numbers - TDA is 96dB and PCM, 110dB. So 5X less noise.
 
I hooked the marriner today and it sounds great. I use a squeeze box player and setting to Rpi Dac seems to activate the GPIO pins for IS2. I am Thinking about the isolator below, but what do you mean by relocating malarkey Jimk?
Awesome!
@henryyyy taking i2s straight from the Roi is suboptimal but will work. Look to get yourself an i2s isolator. (Ian Canada) . And then you get into the whole relocking malarkey. But serious gains come from all that.
 

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Nice work Henry. Sorry we both have typos in there...! I meant reclocking. It's something to do with the clock on the Rpi not being of a divisible frequency for audio..or something. And also the i2s direct from Rpi are deemed noisy or jittery or something.
An Ian Canada Isolator, or Fifo, or an Allo Kali are the sorts of bits of kit to help there. And I can say first hand that they do make a difference. All needing decent power supplies of course.
 
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Thanks Jim. I am a novice at this, but I am not convinced. The isolator board seems to provide clean power, clock and ground. But the marriner has its own power and clock. Isolating the ground can be done with a few passive components. Perhaps isolators are for other dac applications?
By the way what music are you listening to? I was just testing again with this, it’s got a great dynamic range: