Live Edge Dipoles - #1 at Parts Express 2023 Speaker Design Competition - Updated Design

Parts express has a good DSP unit, but I believe it only has analog inputs.

Other choices are Danville signal and Acourate. They are expensive and from what I can tell, very good.

If you are using parametric and shelf filters to boost various frequencies, then passive is not an option.

Off the shelf active crossovers only have a limited amount of that kind of capability, and the active circuitry adds a fair amount of noise to the signal.
 
I've begun listening & measuring my dipoles using DiracLive (miniDSP flex8) and tuning them a bit to compare how they respond as follows:


  • preset 1: Perry's stock preset (not the rock n roll one) includes Perry's FIR : no DIracLive
  • preset 2: DiracLive measurement & FIR overlayed on Perry's equalizer settings (<500Hz no correction above)
  • preset 3: DiracLive measurement & FIR overlayed on Perry's equalizer settings full range correction
  • preset 4: DiracLive measurement & FIR overlayed on Perry's equalizer settings (<1000Hz no correction above)

I can't think of another rough way of zeroing in on what sounds best. What I understand is that adjustment below <500hz is a good starting point......overall it comes down to my ears at this point i think,.....thought I'd share this in case anyone has experience to share on this.... i consider the Dsp to be a swiss army knife.. Eventually I will make some presets that are tuned for lower volume listening: mimicking a loudness knob on a yamaha....
 
Parts express has a good DSP unit, but I believe it only has analog inputs.

Other choices are Danville signal and Acourate. They are expensive and from what I can tell, very good.

If you are using parametric and shelf filters to boost various frequencies, then passive is not an option.

Off the shelf active crossovers only have a limited amount of that kind of capability, and the active circuitry adds a fair amount of noise to the signal.
I use Acourate and can't speak highly enough of it. I use it to take measurements (so you need a mic and an analog to digital converter), derive the crossover and room correction filters, then load those filters into Roon, and done. I use a Lynx Hilo as DAC and ADC connected thru USB to the computer. This never malfunctions. Hilo is then connected to the amps (in my case one for tweeters, one for midrange, one for midbass, and a 4th output to a miniDSP to drive 4 subs). Hilo is a very flexible and good sounding piece of gear.

Acourate is far more advanced than miniDSP and Dirac, but it does have a learning curve. You can learn from Mitch Barnett articles at computeraudiophile: 1st called Acourate walkthrough where he explained how to do digital room correctionwith Acourate, in the second he went into making the system active. He also wrote a. Ebook on the subject. Super helpful.
 
Now my question: Who knows a good, affordable dsp that could replace the minidsp in my application? Gladly also from the professional sector.


Baggerbole, you can check what Rod Coleman suggested here in this same thread (no personal experience with them thou). It would open up the possibility to use your PC with CamillaDSP and free you from the minisdsp downsides.

Okto Reseach has a commercial multichannel DAC platform, and Motu is a commonly used one too. I prefer to have different DACs to all those (the DIYINHK option could let you have multichannel i2s out to your favourite DACs). I would really like to see more options for USB XMOS to mutichannel i2s.

I personally prefer to have one open PC-based DSP solution to a commercial boxed one, be it XTA, XIlica, Symmetrix, BSS or the Danville mention here.
 
My experiment was as follows. I started with this chain: digital source > DAC > amp > passive speakers. I familiarised myself with how this sounded and then inserted a 4x10HD between the source and the DAC. It was set up to leave the signal untouched so that the signal was passing straight through without any DS processing. The sound quality before and after was markedly different. That was enough for me and I concluded that the SRC was very likely the cause of the degradation. I didn’t investigate further.

I’d encourage others to try this experiment as I would be very interested to hear if they have a similar experience.
I posted the above about a year ago. You will understand why I mention it if you watch this recent video on YouTube
 
I was browsing some drivers tonight, particularly the SB Audience line, and got to wondering about a slightly scaled up Live Edge. This was triggered in large part by a comment Perry made... somewhere in one of his threads... about a 21" driver.

Anyway, not that I pretend to know much about driver selection, but this one caught my attention: SB Audience Nero-21SW1100D 21" Subwoofer. Sd of 1655 cm^2 (equal twice the 15OB350), claimed sensitivity of 101 dB, xmax 12.2 mm, xdamage 35(!) mm. To my surprise, available at Madisound for a nick under $500 USD at the time of posting.

"Unfortunately" it seems to only carry an AES power handling rating of 1100W continuous, 2200W peak. Be careful with that Amp Camp!

It could be fun to pop the Radian 5210 10" coax on top and see how they get along. Who needs a baffle when the driver is already the size of a baffle? 😏
 
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I was browsing some drivers tonight, particularly the SB Audience line, and got to wondering about a slightly scaled up Live Edge. This was triggered in large part by a comment Perry made... somewhere in one of his threads... about a 21" driver.

Anyway, not that I pretend to know much about driver selection, but this one caught my attention: SB Audience Nero-21SW1100D 21" Subwoofer. Sd of 1655 cm^2 (equal twice the 15OB350), claimed sensitivity of 101 dB, xmax 12.2 mm, xdamage 35(!) mm. To my surprise, available at Madisound for a nick under $500 USD at the time of posting.

"Unfortunately" it seems to only carry an AES power handling rating of 1100W continuous, 2200W peak. Be careful with that Amp Camp!

It could be fun to pop the Radian 5210 10" coax on top and see how they get along. Who needs a baffle when the driver is already the size of a baffle? 😏
Absolutely. That would be a great system.
 
Great thread - the Bitches Brew seems to be an incredible speaker. Does anyone have insights on if they would be a good fit for a large, glass-lined room? ~630 sq. ft, some brick, and the long walls are all 8' tall glass doors/windows. Thin roller shades, but no curtains. Ceiling is partially starsilent^tm and the floor has a rug, so I guess that helps a bit. No separate subwoofers.

I'm not familiar with the science around dipoles and reflective rooms. I was planning to look into cardioid systems with narrow-ish dispersion, but it seems like a big dipole like this could work with the room instead of try to fight it? I don't know. Hoping my room isn't doomed though...