On that thread I mentioned that as long as our system is good enough we should never need some kind of masking. In this case, the recording itself is as you said 10% distortion!? Also the average users' DAC is not as good as yours. I can feel a sway of preference with better headphone.
^ One of the reasons I'm keeping schtum! I could hear the anomalies at 58 seconds when johnego couldn't 😉 I can't say I hear a difference between the files, I'm kind of moving on regards worrying about 1% second harmonic distortion in music 🙂
so we should just be content and do nothing?
and continue to be bogged in confusion about the matter?
and continue to be bogged in confusion about the matter?
Or is it possible that i could hear what you hear except that what you hear as anomaly is just music for me? But if it sounds like something falling down to the floor, i couldn't hear it. There were i think three notes of horn (sorry i don't know music), where (between which notes) is the location of this noise you're talking about?
What's wrong with everyone having different hearing sensitivity? There are lots of test on the net and the results were different (between individuals) as expected.
On the left channel there is a low frequency thump at 57.5s followed by a quieter one followed by an almost inaudible "pip" sound all within about a second. On the right channel I can only hear the first thump. Definitely not musical in any shape, size or form 😀
ok i'll accept ambiguity, if we all hear differently then there's no point in designing anything to a standard....nobody will be able to tell the difference and if they do we can always say "it's cause everyone hears differently"....no wonder i like scotch....
The added H2 distortion is usually tolerated or even preferred on a "simple" (spectral) music like bar jazz, blues, acoustic guitar. When it comes to "complex" music, like classical big philharmonic orchestra, undistorted is usually preferred, without emphasized H2. So, I cannot agree with NP, that a H2 addition sounds "musical". I simply do not think so. It just sounds "different". And, it may also depend on real experience of the listener with a live acoustical music, like a big orchestra in a concert hall. Amplified electrical instruments do not help much, no one knows how they should sound, it is a matter of taste. In classical music, it is rather a matter of experience with live music. That is why we have different genres in the tests her. It may become interesting.
Aren't we have different favorite amplifiers? Mine is following my own standards beside the common basic ones. I like tea. Earl Grey.
B1 with Korg Triode
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/316405-audibility-3rd-harmonic.html#post5283806
I think at least he is not against. It is also obvious why 😉.
and i like scotch....preference is one thing but i think most want to resolve the "techincal bits" that influence preference, no?
if we can live with distortion and some express a preference for it should we not try to define the limits or at least gain a better understanding of it's correlation?
to me it would mean some of the voodoo about audio would be taken out of the equation.
if we can live with distortion and some express a preference for it should we not try to define the limits or at least gain a better understanding of it's correlation?
to me it would mean some of the voodoo about audio would be taken out of the equation.
I hazard that most recording/mixing engineers already have a pretty good understanding of all that
It's research of a complex issue no one is willing to fund, left as an exercise for future Van Helsing. 😀
Isn't turk talking about harmonic distortions, and you are talking about all those little things that can't be measured but heard? 😉
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