Which is basically the shure list.T. Holman's survey in _Audio_ mid 1970s is plenty close enough for our purposes.
I would love to get my head around the maths so I could work out if these very high levels reported were actually cuttable at full speed.you don't get rewarded for real dynamics, but you do get punished for being untrackable.
They won't be resolved either if measurements used don't comport well enough with human perception, and they don't.
So... Nothing of that nature will ever be resolved here, it never has and it never will.
It’s then up to you to show why they don’t comport since you are making the claim.
That would mean two identical measuring DAC’s ( of very, very close) that in a DBT produces a statistically significant result that answers the question ‘can you hear a difference?
Sorry, STEM rules.
Are you joking? Sometime we are reject new technology because we happy what we have today. The old technology is more than enough for us.
I don't know what you might be satisfied with but I think we are miles away form a believable reproduction of a symphony orchestra. But then again - maybe you never heard one?
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What are your guesses regards connections between heard and measured differences?I do not understand your question.
Which is basically the shure list.
I would love to get my head around the maths so I could work out if these very high levels reported were actually cuttable at full speed.
Well, the T. Holman examples were production vinyl . IDK, to my way of looking at it, these were the best that could be done then, nobody cares now, and nothing more exotic will be made in the future. Wait! Unless somebody invents a new method that stores digital samples of the music on small discs - read by *lasers* - Wait! Wait! - we'll store it in a magic cloud. Then music will be free! Yeah, that'll never happen.
You heard it first here,
Always the best fortune,
Chris
How do you listen to that crap? 20 seconds and my ears are ringing.
(Nevertheless, sorry to hear the guy has passed).
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They do not understand the relationship between measurement and the sound.
But you do. Please describe this to us? Pretty please?
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What are your guesses regards connections between heard and measured differences?
The significant different sometime signal to noise ratio, sometime harmonic profile, sometime slew rate, some time distortion change at different level of signal, etc
If those measurement is significant different, it is high probability you can hear the sound different at specific recording.
You can download the Holman articles here. Read them in the context of mid 1970’s know how
Technical Requirements of Phono Preamplifiers by Tomlinson Holman
Technical Requirements of Phono Preamplifiers by Tomlinson Holman
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I don't know what you might be satisfied with but I think we are miles away form a believable reproduction of a symphony orchestra. But then again - maybe you never heard one?
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Of course I heard before, at acoustic treatment room at my friend house, using his speaker and my amplifier 🙂
Ok, I thought you meant you were able to link specific measured difference to perceived sound differences 70% of the time, was I wrong?The significant different sometime signal to noise ratio, sometime harmonic profile, sometime slew rate, some time distortion change at different level of signal, etc
If those measurement is significant different, it is high probability you can hear the sound different at specific recording.
How do you listen to that crap? 20 seconds and my ears are ringing.
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I like it. They were also an important band in terms of what happened next as well.
Ok, I thought you meant you were able to link specific measured difference to perceived sound differences 70% of the time, was I wrong?
Of course. The link specific measured difference to perceived sound differences is easy when the different measurement is significant. It can be complicate because many variable exist.
I like it. They were also an important band in terms of what happened next as well.
I think it's a relatively accessible song as well. I have to admit, I am not into the noise as much as some here, but I appreciate it from time to time.
Ok bimo, but people here are talking about very small differences in measurements and perceived sound and trying to find correlation (Mark and some other notable golden ears excluded of course)
Ok bimo, but people here are talking about very small differences in measurements and perceived sound and trying to find correlation (Mark and some other notable golden ears excluded of course)
If you do not understand the big differences then do not talk about the small one 😉
I agree it is simply a matter of degrees and that fundamentally our perception is more sensitive than a lot of people realise.
I think it's safe to say that whilst Andrew considers Mark to be a "DAC snob", he, himself, could equally be considered a music snob. 🙂I think it's a relatively accessible song as well. I have to admit, I am not into the noise as much as some here, but I appreciate it from time to time.
I found the sound of his voice, particularly the seemingly random intonation unbearable.
A couple of years ago, trekking in the Bandolier National Park (USA) I heard a
language strange to me, very beautiful, but hard to source. It didn't sound Romance, it didn't sound Scandinavian, it seemed far from the Dutch/German/northern European continent. No obvious French roots, like most English has. No impossible eastern European consonants or exotic Roma. I couldn't hear a single word that I could understand, or even guess at.
It was a lovely couple, not much, if any, older than us, and they dressed and appeared as Europeans. Couldn't resist, and interrupted their privacy at a resting point. They were from a beautiful spot in Wales, and generously told us about it.
Simon Whistler speaks very fast, but it somehow still works for me. I'm strictly Amglish these days, and often must use closed captions for BBC tv shows unless everyone is very "pronounced" like Simon W. I'd guess that for non-native-English speakers CC would be necessary. But his content is good if you can adapt to the delivery.
All my childhood languages are gone, only the echoes remain. Could once speak German to pass as a native, now all gone, except I can still sing Schiller's LvB 9th 4th movement, a capella, and will, if anybody crosses me. You have been warned.
Always the best fortune to us all,
Chris
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