Did you ever consider that a truly open mind is someone open to consider the failings of human sensory perception and cognitive biases?
If I thought IC op-amps sounded bad, I would not go out and buy boxes absolutely full of them and then talk about how good my system is and how the poor folk don't invest enough. I'd probably have bought stuff with discrete output stages...
If ICs sound bad, fine, let us be consistent here.
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I've been testing audio gear with critical listening for many years.
Test equipment cannot substitute for this.
Yes, I fully agree that deaf old men (nothing personal, just an audiophile generalization) are not equivalent to test equipment. 😉
Simple, the Benchmark got reviewed by the Stereophile chimps and got a Class A rubber stamp, the OPPO-105 did not.
Well I can dish it out. IC's just can't work for audio, what a pile of BS, your life depends on them in many ways.
RNM & JC, can you describe this difference between IC sound and discrete sound ?.
Does this apply to final output stage only ?.
Does an inline discrete stage 'cure' an IC output ?.....ie a discrete buffer in a box.
Dan.
Does this apply to final output stage only ?.
Does an inline discrete stage 'cure' an IC output ?.....ie a discrete buffer in a box.
Dan.
Of course, you make your own transistors from scratch, right? A real designer makes their own JFETs from locally sourced sand. You want to be a real pastry chef, after all, not using Toshiba, Hitachi, or Philips "cake mix".
Where does this extremely poor analogy end?
The more interesting question is why does the AD797 sound better than almost all other opamps? Is there a design difference? A production process difference? Are there magic runes on the die?
And an old oenologist is not worth an analytical laboratory.
Nothing personal.
In the same impasse as your poor comments.
What it was trying to make you understand.
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It does? That's news to me. I can go find you a ton of posts with people who think AD797 sounds bad. I don't know where this artificial consensus stuff comes from. There is none.
In what circuit, too? Obviously, it is an objectively great op-amp, but it's not for every spot. People love to discuss these supposed sonic signatures, yet they are using them in totally different ways.
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Clever guy, of course, all of the above I should know. Actually the input devices looked like two rows of urinals on those office plans they pass around, the ones they show you for comment where it is already cast in stone and nothing you say will change anything.
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Because in the hands of an audiophile op amp roller it usually oscillates like hell, making for a spectacular sound effect box. It certainly sounds different.
I built among other things JC3 style phono preamps and a special ten different circuit opamp test box. The opamp units having gains of ten reduced to unity sound different with different opamps. The LME single and the AD797 sound different but noticeably better than the others. Not surprisingly the 741 was everyone's choice for worst.
Unfortunately my opamp test project has come to a dead end. So I will need to build another test box to restart the process.
Unfortunately my opamp test project has come to a dead end. So I will need to build another test box to restart the process.
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Is RNMarsh your family member or relative? You seem very protective of him, so I'm wondering...
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