FLAC 16/44.1 and 24/48 is most common streaming on tidal .....the service I use.
I think they can go up to 24/192 but not sure.
Phase can effect centering?
I think they can go up to 24/192 but not sure.
Phase can effect centering?
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Am I sensing different interpretations of the quote?
This doesn't sound logical at all. But nothing is really illogical. For that to be logical, somebody must be unintelligent.
Or, possibly a hearing processing error if you are only half listening... I've experienced similar things when distracted - say, music on, nose thoroughly in a book. A brief auditory illusion can occur, vanishing as focus returns to the music.
Yes, a number of different cues are used for position which could be prone to error/misinterpretation. It depends on the music/processing as well, if any phase manipulation was used.
It is based on an aphorism falsely ascribed to Einstein (at least it seems that none of the expert has found it in any of his writings) and incluedes usually something like "....doing exactly the same over and over again and expecting different...."
There is a connection to compulsive acts (hope this translation of the german term "Zwangshandlung" fits), but I wouldn't think that in there is an expectation of any result (difference in results).
In a broader sense it reminds to the fact that most of us have large difficulties to change our habits, even when we should know that it would be better to try something different.
@nezbleu,
you should add "mind" to the "brain" and "ear" , as in this context the brain is doing the automatic processes and our mind at the next level is still able to dismiss or use it.
But basically that was the reason why I objected when SY tried to invent the term "ears only test" for tests that includes the blind property.
It is extremely difficult to do any "ears only" test with humans that are alive....
@vacuphile,
"McGurk" isn't such a good example as it is one of the illusions that can be defeatet by training.
The virtual sound source percepted in the median plane if two stereo front speakers reproduce the same signal is a profound illusion and I#ve never heard that somebody was able to get rid of it ("blind" or "sighted" doesn't make a difference).
There is a small percentage of humans who only perceive in this case only two discrete signals coming from the speakers, though.
After looking it up I put some thought into the mcgurk effect and came up with one thing that fit that description......’wheel bearing bugs’ . They get me every time even though I should know better.
There’s a type of cicada (or something similar) along the roadsides that come out the beginning of July here, when your windows down and your speed/ tire noise match’s their droning (about 35-40mph) you swear you’ve got a bad wheel bearing and the illusion is a reflection of sound off the bushes/trees (it even follows you)......enough to where i turn down the radio and hang my head out the window to check. But to hear them without the car involved they sound like what they are.....bugs!
Other than that I can’t think of any more examples.
Subjectively 😀
Edit: how do you put two of your own posts together after the fact? Or is that something only the mods can do? Like if I wanted to combine this one to the above (I know....not double posting in the first place would do it!)
There’s a type of cicada (or something similar) along the roadsides that come out the beginning of July here, when your windows down and your speed/ tire noise match’s their droning (about 35-40mph) you swear you’ve got a bad wheel bearing and the illusion is a reflection of sound off the bushes/trees (it even follows you)......enough to where i turn down the radio and hang my head out the window to check. But to hear them without the car involved they sound like what they are.....bugs!
Other than that I can’t think of any more examples.
Subjectively 😀
Edit: how do you put two of your own posts together after the fact? Or is that something only the mods can do? Like if I wanted to combine this one to the above (I know....not double posting in the first place would do it!)
@billshurv,
My short remark was of course oversimplification but as it is an interesting cognitive effect, there are some studies about it, which showed the large variability across subjects, kind of stimuli and even intrasubject ones:
Proverbio et al.; Skilled musicians are not subject to the McGurk effect,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4958963/pdf/srep30423.pdf
Mallick et al.: Variability and stability in the McGurk effect: contributions of participants, stimuli, time, and response type,
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.3758/s13423-015-0817-4.pdf
@scottjoplin,
It would be presenting real and virtual sound sources under blind conditions and asking for pointing to/marking the position.
My short remark was of course oversimplification but as it is an interesting cognitive effect, there are some studies about it, which showed the large variability across subjects, kind of stimuli and even intrasubject ones:
Proverbio et al.; Skilled musicians are not subject to the McGurk effect,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4958963/pdf/srep30423.pdf
Mallick et al.: Variability and stability in the McGurk effect: contributions of participants, stimuli, time, and response type,
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.3758/s13423-015-0817-4.pdf
@scottjoplin,
It would be presenting real and virtual sound sources under blind conditions and asking for pointing to/marking the position.
I have Spotify Premium (uncompressed files I think ?) in the house and when I listen it seems like radio.....mild processing that gives AGC but everything sounds a bit like Muzak and coated with the same brush.
I've just listened to a mono Sun Ra CD. Kids are getting into cassettes apparently.
I've not considered how easily we are fooled, this implies very easily.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
In other words, instead of just accepting your easily fooled, why not train yourself in the nuances of hearing?
In other words, instead of just accepting your easily fooled, why not train yourself in the nuances of hearing?
In the case of virtual sound sources it seems so, and AFAIK nobody had a reasonable hypothesis why it could be beneficial that our hearing sense works that way.
Could be that it is just a side effect which does not harm in reality as it might have only created problems under rare conditions.
I am not a person who is easily fooled. My eyes and ears are very highly trained, and I can tell when my senes are fooled, but my mind? Very seldom.
An illustrative aside: at present I am embroiled in putting a show of conceptual photographic work together based upon what the world possibly looks like before we recognise and intellectualise it. This has taken me five years of practical research, with lots and lots of dead ends before finally coming up with something that works. I am beginning to understand that it is the nuances of language that both binds us and blinds us to the actuality of reality. Yes, I recognise that I am on my own here, I look around and see nobody else doing what I am doing, and it my own scientific training and education that gives me the checks and balances I rely upon in order not to become deluded about my discoveries.
As for audio? So far, I have done quite well with my ears .......... big day last week, my Umik calibration mic arrived. I have a miniDSP 2x4 and a copy of REW and intend to fully learn, to understand, and implement the results into my loudspeaker building projects. This thread has been crucial in my learning the language of self deception within audio. It is the experience of what I hear inside my head that matters now, and measurement coupled with objective intellectual honesty is the way forward for me. Such an exciting time to be living in 🙂
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Your approach is much the same as mine, i’ve always been in tune with life more than most everyone around me, and also came at crossover design backwards......by ear and then measuring.
I think hands on and knowing what your actually hearing is just as important (or more so) than the virtual engineering, or at the very least it provides a solid foundation.
Edit...I suppose that’s why I take insult with the comments of imaginary/faulty interpretation of sound even if it’s not directed at me. It’s only faulty if you allow it to be. (physical handicaps aside)
I think hands on and knowing what your actually hearing is just as important (or more so) than the virtual engineering, or at the very least it provides a solid foundation.
Edit...I suppose that’s why I take insult with the comments of imaginary/faulty interpretation of sound even if it’s not directed at me. It’s only faulty if you allow it to be. (physical handicaps aside)
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What are the chances of multiple real sources, or threats, with exactly the same spectral content? Makes me wonder what is the difference the very small number of people are hearing.
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