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Author is Carl Liungman
Title is What is I.Q.?: Intelligence, Heredity and Environment
Searching for books where
Author is Carl Liungman
Title is What is I.Q.?: Intelligence, Heredity and Environment
The other thing with tests: they tend to reward rapid responses. However, as a teacher of Grisha Perelman remarked, Quick is not Deep* (GP solved the Poincare conjecture in topology, and in fact a larger and more general problem, but declined the 1 million dollar prize because he felt it should be shared with Richard Hamilton).
A former friend and retired composer used to lord it over people based on an IQ test he took in his youth, which registered 165. Back then IQ really was a quotient based on chronological age. The guy is bright but...
When he asked me what mine was I told him I didn't know --- my parents refused to give me the results. He kindly said (in a typically self-centered utterance) Oh it must be at least 150 🙂
Einstein was smart, but he sat with problems and was audacious, as was Newton. I think Sir Isaac had the benefit of being mostly confined to quarters during the Plague Years, when he had some of his major insights.
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A former friend and retired composer used to lord it over people based on an IQ test he took in his youth, which registered 165. Back then IQ really was a quotient based on chronological age. The guy is bright but...
When he asked me what mine was I told him I didn't know --- my parents refused to give me the results. He kindly said (in a typically self-centered utterance) Oh it must be at least 150 🙂
Einstein was smart, but he sat with problems and was audacious, as was Newton. I think Sir Isaac had the benefit of being mostly confined to quarters during the Plague Years, when he had some of his major insights.
*necessarily
On my highschool English lit. list, hippie teach.
At about three times that age, I call a cab.
Wacko-J was into Swiss FM h-Uber gear, but it could have been the 18-carat Bling
Seems to fit our working definition of "Randy Californian."
Why not just give RH half the money, or all of it if a person believes he's being ignored or persecuted? It's the sort of selfless idiocy that would cause AR to go ballistic.
Like AR he never learned to drive a car.
Perelman didn't handle being a celebrity very well. In fact he announced that he wasn't going to do mathematics anymore.
True. I think this is a major issue. People adopt different ways in learning. One group collect the data first then draw a conclusion, other group draw a conclusion then test it with data. Just an analogy but people can really change this mode (but difficult).
To solve above issue, time should be part of the test variables (the more the time the less the maximum score) and people are allowed to think longer for more accurate conclusion.
Hehe of course if it is low he wouldn't have the need to ask...
I remember when the math discoveries were getting press attention, but I'm not familiar with the names, nor the behind-the-scenes "drama."
I guess AR might forgive his $elfle$$ $acrifice for that utterly J Galtian mind strike. LOL
There was an article in The New Yorker about Yau trying to steal credit, along with his students. However, another mathematician told me it was a very inaccurate piece.
The really serious drama was back when Andrew Wiles announced a proof of Fermat's last theorem (for which really no one believes Fermat had a proof), and it then turned out that Wiles' proof had a piece missing. It took him considerable time to patch it up, but with the help of a grad student, Richard Taylor, he finally managed.
Unapologetically here as well. Calvin & Hobbes was a major part of my childhood, and I've lost an afternoon or two more recently to revisiting them. Not that I wasn't an otherwise voracious reader. I've been wondering if someone was going to note that comment earlier.
When haven't we? 😉SY said:
True..... my father had an IQ >200 but he died poor.... off the chart. Never made much money. My childhood best friend has IQ of 160. He burnt out of science at young age and is poor all his life. Many who made a lot of money hired great minds but didnt have great minds themselves. As far as I can tell there is no connection between wealth and IQ. Brilliant lawyers, however, are a most important asset towards achieving a high income.
THx-RNMarsh
Generally speaking (not sure if the normal distribution falls off on the tails), 15 IQ ~ 1 stdev from the median/mean (which, nominally, should be 100).
We're talking 6.5 sigma. That's roughly 1/12 BILLION. Not to say your dad wasn't brilliant, but...
Who cares about that? He was appointed by Pres. Kennedy to be part of his education team. he was well known in his field.
Like an Einstein of his subject area. But he too never made much money..... just didnt interest him enough. In case the point isnt clear..... we in this capitalism gone wild society/culture raise high income people to the level of celebs and gods while those who do great things with their minds/intellect go unnoticed a lot of the time.
-Richard
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Then why throw that number out there? The latter info is much more relevant and germane to your other points.
I didn't mean to slight your dad in the least, just throwing out ridiculous numbers doesn't help your case.
I didn't mean to slight your dad in the least, just throwing out ridiculous numbers doesn't help your case.
In my experience, the distribution is off. The number (per capita) of 180-200 is higher than the 'standards' would predict. Part of this is that the net (thus the distribution calculation) may be wide.... but the net is also ignorant.
Not all who are highly intelligent by the given measure desire or seek attention. As a matter of fact, IMO, most do not seek attention nor do they bring attention to themselves.
I have no doubt that Richard is telling what he considers to be a truth; something that in his experience is a truth.
Intelligence is considered hereditary and also builds individually in-situ with the life lived, etc. Thus most people exhibit some fashion of some given savant(ish) skill or behavior in some given area. It is also possible to build intelligence into one's self. If this were not true we would not be here discussing such things as the discussion would not be possible. We'd be flat out automatons. Self realization in all it's given facets aids this process and accelerates the given curve of learning.
It is even possible, IMO, (when more dominoes in the logic fall into place)..to get into a runaway increase in intelligence.
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First of all it isnt a ridiculous number. But it is an IQ test number with limitations.
I'll help SY here ----
Since light travels faster than sound, people may appear bright until you hear them speak.
🙂
Your turn SY.
THx-RNMarsh
IMO, intelligence can manifest itself in a variety of ways. So an IQ number, or "social quotient," g factor, etc. etc. is of limited use at the end of my day. YMMV.
Yes, let's take one man's experience about a population-based statistical set. That will go well!
Or that the measurement instrument falls apart once an individual is far from the mean.
Or the limited value of the assessment in the first place breaks down with these unique individuals.
Or numerous other factors. The value of the number (and the tests to determine it) is debatable in the first place, and likely to have its greatest value around the center, rather than the fringes. Incredibly smart people are incredibly smart. The end.
The only uncanny thing I see about IQ tests is that my brothers and I all scored (we are 5 years apart and were all tested around 2nd-3rd grade, respectively) within 2 points of each other.
Or that the measurement instrument falls apart once an individual is far from the mean.
Or the limited value of the assessment in the first place breaks down with these unique individuals.
Or numerous other factors. The value of the number (and the tests to determine it) is debatable in the first place, and likely to have its greatest value around the center, rather than the fringes. Incredibly smart people are incredibly smart. The end.
The only uncanny thing I see about IQ tests is that my brothers and I all scored (we are 5 years apart and were all tested around 2nd-3rd grade, respectively) within 2 points of each other.
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