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it's what i'm thinking, 1x6-8" or 2 pieces smaller if it bring something or not to complicate to make
this the reason why i was build sub with my dcx2496 i can make an eq
this is what i'm bit afraid or it goes in direction of a multidriver enclosure....
you have luxury tastes😉
i use te dac for what it comes from my pc/streaming
i don't really know if i change something at the moment just i know i have had a great listening experience with a lamp tube amp at friends home
sure my chr70.3 are not powerful enough for 55m² at the momment in my 25m² i see it's too limit because it's wide (5.5m) the sound stage is not as good as it could be and i listen frequency reponse diferencies when i'm not on axis
like you see on the second hand market there is not so much serious FR
For my times, yes, though there's far more expensive nowadays that I can't afford, but I was 'spoiled rotten' at a very young age by the sound systems in Atlanta's 1940s - 70s Cinema Palaces (Avatar), so Altecs have been in my life since I started working full time and will be the last thing I sell if forced out of my home before the 'Grim Reaper' arrives.
You also mentioned coaxial...
This W6-2313 is quite good. There's an XO I like towards the end of the thread. It will go down to pair with your subs.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/tb-new-line-of-coax-fr-drivers.324159/
Or, go full range but woofer assisted. Trouble with one driver is if you go big, you get more low end grunt, but the highs fall quickly. If you go small, the highs are nice, but the bass drops quickly.
One of the very good and easy to build is the 10F+RS225. Lots of great reviews. Especially the TL for low end support. But you might just go with the sealed version with your dual sub support.
This W6-2313 is quite good. There's an XO I like towards the end of the thread. It will go down to pair with your subs.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/tb-new-line-of-coax-fr-drivers.324159/
Or, go full range but woofer assisted. Trouble with one driver is if you go big, you get more low end grunt, but the highs fall quickly. If you go small, the highs are nice, but the bass drops quickly.
One of the very good and easy to build is the 10F+RS225. Lots of great reviews. Especially the TL for low end support. But you might just go with the sealed version with your dual sub support.
....and why you should ideally choose based on the mean as the pioneers initially did, so for an 80 Hz XO, then sqrt(80*20000) = ~1265 Hz = ~34400/pi/1265 = ~8.657 cm/3.41" piston dia. in a huge WG/horn or break it up into co- or tri-ax drivers as they did to reduce size/cost. 😉
I understand that you can get married with something other 😉
yes i have mentioned coaxial, i have no experience with this, i have only listen a 12" coaxial alone in the APG sonorisation system but it's not a good memory, it was missing high frequency
For GM i don't understand what you want to tell, can you explain?
My W6-2313 do not miss anything in the highs. Very balanced once you hit the right XO.
I forgot to link the 10F&RS225
Here you go:
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/10f-8424-rs225-8-fast-waw-ref-monitor.273524/
I forgot to link the 10F&RS225
Here you go:
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/10f-8424-rs225-8-fast-waw-ref-monitor.273524/
Agree with GM. Need big, high-sensitivity driver (pref coax if 1-driver required) to be dynamic in that large of a space (even with subs). In small rooms, the existing 4" could be fine. Depends on what you're used to and upon your expectations (ever lived with 100+dB speakers?). If you seek effortless & dynamic in 55m^2, the little single drivers will be straining and you will hear it. You could relax the criteria on driver choices or perhaps check smaller sizes of pro coaxes. When I cut corners, I remember that forever; when I spend extra for a good tool, I enjoy it every use--if you are only going to marry one driver, take your time to choose well.
je have read a little bit what are the placement constraint for the fh3?
i have seen: https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...-waw-ref-monitor.273524/page-160#post-6811577
i really love the esthetic of the box but i don't know at all the acoustic versus pensil/ fh3
ScanSpeak 10F/8424 and RS225-8 is still up there for best sound quality. You can make a variant with Visaton B80 that’s about as good. If you want a single driver with some bass, TangBand W5-2143 is excellent.
Also, 3FE22 or 3FE25 is also very good.
thank you XRK971, have you had the occassion to compare the sound of WAW with ScanSpeak 10F/8424 and RS225-8 to a an enclore with 1 FR ?
Well totally different animals. The WAW has bass and sounds like a large 2 way speaker but the imaging of a full range.
The W5-2143 has enough bass in a reflex box that it can almost be as good as a WAW with woofer support.
The PA130-8 in a Karlsonator has some nice bass and is a single driver fullrange.
The W5-2143 has enough bass in a reflex box that it can almost be as good as a WAW with woofer support.
The PA130-8 in a Karlsonator has some nice bass and is a single driver fullrange.
Everyone has different expectations of what kind of driver is sufficient for a certain setup.
For example, my wife would be happy enough with some 3” drivers and some elevator music.
Myself, I love to listen to movies at near THX levels. But also some small venue jazz.
As previously mentioned, a FR is a compromise, either up high or down low.
You can talk about it all year, and still wonder if it is the right choice for you.
Pick one, build it, listen to it. Does it fulfill what you need?
Yes? You’re happy.
No, well, you now have learned something for yourself. Put that speaker in the bedroom, or sell it to your neighbor, and try another design.
Alors, bonne chance!
For example, my wife would be happy enough with some 3” drivers and some elevator music.
Myself, I love to listen to movies at near THX levels. But also some small venue jazz.
As previously mentioned, a FR is a compromise, either up high or down low.
You can talk about it all year, and still wonder if it is the right choice for you.
Pick one, build it, listen to it. Does it fulfill what you need?
Yes? You’re happy.
No, well, you now have learned something for yourself. Put that speaker in the bedroom, or sell it to your neighbor, and try another design.
Alors, bonne chance!
FIFTY FIVE sqm room for listening?????? 😵
You need some serious firepower!
I have built some simple MLTL boxes with various small FR drivers. Most of the time MLTL sound just amazing. they have everything you need for casual listening: crisp and nice voice zone, not so shouty highs and even some bass. But only up to 70-80dB listening levels. Then they start to distort badly, the size of those drivers is not made for serious volume when used without woofer assistance. in 55 sqm room there is even less chance you will enjoy listening in any box. There will be simply not enough SPL until unpleasant distortion.
Probably the best bet would be to split FR duties between drivers, that is subs or WAW/FAST. I have over 10 different fullrange drivers (no Markaudio... ) but I like only a few, PS95-5 is my favorite. FR drivers tend to show lower IMD distortion when paired with... Another drivers for bass duties.
DCX 2496 has EQ and active crossover functionality?
If the room and listening position is pretty much symmetric with some luck you can build simple 2-way with woofer going very very low and cross at pretty high range - 300+Hz or up to 1kHz. This way you will not need separate subwoofer(-s) and FR driver of your choice will be relieved from playing sub-bass and bass.
Luck is needed for the combination of the listening, speakers positions and room modes.
Another simple way is to go with bigger FR drivers.
Trouble with most TB drivers over 4” is they beam a lot. Even some of their 4” beam quite early. It’s strange as the cone don’t look so deep, but it’s a fact.
I’d go smaller if paired with a good 8” that can be crossed high enough to keep the power on the bigger cone.
Or go with the TB W8-1772. That one, strangely enough beams less than their 5”. But that’s another level of budget, and the 1772 will need EQ to sound good, but as the OP has active XO and EQ, than that could be an avenue.