At that price, I hope they never build another one!
I reached for my wallet just to check, and now I'm in a wheelchair!
Ha, I agree it's not cheap but SS don't sell as many drivers as pro audio companies and don't make drivers in Asia so the price may not reflect ultimate value but it is a good design and product that others will start emulating, hopefully.
They don't call that a pro driver do they? I mean the paper cone and doped pleated surround are only there to help home DIYers cross it to waveguides..
I haven't seen anybody being condescending here, just trying to help.
Designing a good loudspeaker is one of the most difficult endeavors you can undertake; I would suggest you look at Troels Loudspeaker 2. It is not perfect but will be far better than a Klipsch Forte for less money.
No they don't. It's a home audio driver with qualities of a pro audio driver refined for that specific use.
Why do you say that the only reason they use paper and pleated surround is for waveguide implementation for DIY? Where does it say that?
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I've seen that movie so many times 🙂
This approach engages the breakup region, and conventional waveguide speakers run the woofers up high. Contrast this to conventional hi-fi drivers which go for the low-loss surround type, but when you cross to a dome you are going to be sure to remove the breakup region, eg by crossing.
True. I have no doubt they are emulating pro audio driver design but they are optimizing for home use.
AE is also a very good candidate but the high Fs is still more suited for pro audio than home audio. Still fantastic drivers though and much cleaner than typical pro audio drivers over a large bandwidth. Smaller voice coil is also beneficial.
AE is also a very good candidate but the high Fs is still more suited for pro audio than home audio. Still fantastic drivers though and much cleaner than typical pro audio drivers over a large bandwidth. Smaller voice coil is also beneficial.
The high fs? OK, new topic. What better than a domestic room to put the woofer resonance into 'sub' territory, with regard to room modes. It wouldn't ideally be working on its own in the sub 100Hz (or 200Hz) region. The fs isn't going to be so important.
Good points, but I have good counter points 🙂
I'll leave it there though, maybe we can start another thread...
I'll leave it there though, maybe we can start another thread...
A lot of opinions being thrown around, and more so a lot of discussion of the whys...
MTMW isnt a bad idea with dual 8 mids...the 8" should be able to play low enough to help the jump from the top M to the bottom W. The 8" should also have more than a few style tweeters to chose from.
Since youre open to other tweeter, options I would suggest to you a 1.4 inch exit compression driver. There are probably the most wave guide/horn options available for this exit size, than any of the other ones
Don't get too caught up in the discussions about "why" ...not unless they are arguing for you to pick or not pick a certain driver, or build aspect.
The Admin and the regulars here are trustworthy...if you see an admin disagree or change topic (lol) take note.
For the same reason I keep suggesting a compression driver and horn or waveguide to you Flaxxer... you told us that you want uncompressed dynamics...horns and waveguides are the compliment to large efficient woofer...actually more so the other way around...a horn is the king of dynamic ability.
Having a matching polar at XO is something no 1" dome or amt ever achieves is it? Never the less, it is desirable Another reason to entertain 1.4" exit compression drivers.
MTMW isnt a bad idea with dual 8 mids...the 8" should be able to play low enough to help the jump from the top M to the bottom W. The 8" should also have more than a few style tweeters to chose from.
Since youre open to other tweeter, options I would suggest to you a 1.4 inch exit compression driver. There are probably the most wave guide/horn options available for this exit size, than any of the other ones
Don't get too caught up in the discussions about "why" ...not unless they are arguing for you to pick or not pick a certain driver, or build aspect.
The Admin and the regulars here are trustworthy...if you see an admin disagree or change topic (lol) take note.
For the same reason I keep suggesting a compression driver and horn or waveguide to you Flaxxer... you told us that you want uncompressed dynamics...horns and waveguides are the compliment to large efficient woofer...actually more so the other way around...a horn is the king of dynamic ability.
Having a matching polar at XO is something no 1" dome or amt ever achieves is it? Never the less, it is desirable Another reason to entertain 1.4" exit compression drivers.
The one who understands, well, the one who does not understand, let him go his way
The dynamics is very easy to understand.
It seems to me, that once again, this thread became:
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This isnt a matter of understanding dynamics, the OP simply stated he wanted dynamics not a lecture on it lol. I think...think...hes considering a mtmw? So lets help him entertain that...it will allow him to use the 12"s he has already (and seems to love) as the W.
We all know that dynamic ability and sd go together. If we can convince the OP to run a compression driver with waveguide/horn his mtmw could potentially be all 12" woofers with a waveguide to compliment the dispersion
Increasing woofer size increases efficiency and dynamic ability and lowers excursion and distortions.... an affect that cares not of the brand name or how much your woofer cost
We all know that dynamic ability and sd go together. If we can convince the OP to run a compression driver with waveguide/horn his mtmw could potentially be all 12" woofers with a waveguide to compliment the dispersion
Increasing woofer size increases efficiency and dynamic ability and lowers excursion and distortions.... an affect that cares not of the brand name or how much your woofer cost
Why on earth would you want to go MTM when it's not needed in terms of sensitivity? Least of all an MTM with 8" mids?! He wants to sit 8 feet away! Not 18. I sit ~8 feet away and going from a 6" mid + 6" waveguide tweeter to a 6" coaxial was beneficial in terms of sound field coherence. We want to be minimising the distance between the mid and tweeter in this design not increasing it.
You can get 6" mids, with the required sensitivity, that will cover the necessary bandwidth you do not need to go bigger or have multiples of them.
You can get 6" mids, with the required sensitivity, that will cover the necessary bandwidth you do not need to go bigger or have multiples of them.
why are there not more designs with PA coax à la Tannoy?, such like BMS or Faital, are they so hard to filter, or the compression driver not good enough in relation to the standalone unit of these brands ?
If we were to compare your 6" mid with a 15" which one do you think would br disappointing? Listening distance is a matter of dispersion not woofer size...either polar is big enough or it isnt...with ka=2 or lower at XO to tweeter, that is plenty enough for 1 meter. Ctc is more of an issue of room energy and vertical off axis presentation, you mentioned neither, so your motivations are incorrect
Whats going to happen exactly if we used 8" woofers in an mtm? Distortion going to get "too low" lol!
I would go with auditioning self powered pro active systems AKA 2 way 15's large format compression driver and add a sub. Hell of a lot easier and will hold value.
Rob 🙂
Rob 🙂
This sounds amazing, BUT I really don't think I want a speaker that can only go in the largest of rooms. But isn't 12" mids going to require a long listening distance for everything to gel at the chair?
I'll admit this, I looked at compression drivers and waveguides today. And there are endless possibilities. And zero way for me to know how to choose. Just way too many options and variables for the inexperienced.
Agreed ... but why wouldn't I choose an 8" mid instead, with the same sensitivity, but more dynamic ability?
I've pretty much decided to go with the 3012LF woofers I own. I like the idea of an 8" or 10" midrange driver. Just not sure the 10" driver is too much for mids or no. But I like the Faital mids. The highs are either the G1 or compression driver/horn ... IF I can get a grasp on how to pick from the trillions available.
But please tell me why I wouldn't make these active DSP to keep the sensitivity high?
But please tell me why I wouldn't make these active DSP to keep the sensitivity high?