Sorry Earl,
I rephrase it: with no limit of budget nore commercial goals: how would you design a 8 to 15" driver in relation to your needs?
Modern cone sandwich with stronger magnet than the low efficienty drivers of North Europe ? Would you use instead a dedicated cone profil witch modern engineery allow : kevlar, ceramic, iron sandwich, nanotechs...
I rephrase it: with no limit of budget nore commercial goals: how would you design a 8 to 15" driver in relation to your needs?
Modern cone sandwich with stronger magnet than the low efficienty drivers of North Europe ? Would you use instead a dedicated cone profil witch modern engineery allow : kevlar, ceramic, iron sandwich, nanotechs...
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saw the photograph...
Nice... does not the Chesterfield too close of the back wall (have you not too much loud ?).😕
I'm jealous, we really need to be again cavemen... some nice listening cave here in France at Lascaux with nice paintings on the walls ("last cow") 😀
You can't damage anyone's hearing at 16 Hz, but I can do the same levels at 20 Hz that WILL cause hearing damage above 1 kHz.
The thing is that I know the guys at B&C very well, I used to work there. I have on occasion given them some advice on their designs since. But I would have to say that there is nothing that I would change in the new Neo line of high BL 4" VC woofers that they sell (i.e. 12NDX100). Paper remains the best cone material because it is so well damped. Damping is more important at HFs than anything else. Even in enclosure design damping is key - that is what all researchers are finding. That's why I use Polyurethane glued together with high damping glues. No nails or screws (well some). I want damping not rigidity.
Cal - 5 pages in, what took you so long buddy - baking mooncakes or something girly like that? 😉
and at the SPLs and lower frequencies discussed above, I'd be as much concerned about the glands responsible for producing the testosterone fueling the need for these extremes as the hearing organs 😱
and at the SPLs and lower frequencies discussed above, I'd be as much concerned about the glands responsible for producing the testosterone fueling the need for these extremes as the hearing organs 😱
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So, here's a crazy idea...how about in all 4 corners, you build a floor to ceiling wedge cabinet, but slot loaded, with 8 15s in each one!
And a new breaker panel...and 16 amplifiers...
And some of this to go with it.
And a new breaker panel...and 16 amplifiers...
And some of this to go with it.
Then methinks you are talking about a listening room rather than a man cave?
My wife wants me to.
Well I looked in a while back but they were talking single woofer stuff so I thought I'd leave it be.
That's the part my wife wants me to remember. I think they call them the good ol' days.
For a manly man's man cave, something like the 828 box converted to a 3 way like Michael and I have is a great combo. Critical listening? Not really, man caves are about BS, beer and BBQ's aren't they? 🙂
Horsepower
Want the same ! No more problem of mid bass and dynamics 😀
The problem of the cave is the ceilling pitch. We need something between 3 meters and more (depend of the others square meters datas !) !
Solve the small ceiling pitch : no more problem (semi digged is good for neighbourhood, disco, jazz club, what ever is involved with a little high db level 😀.... I would like to find again my younger listenings in Paris's Jazz Clubs with live bands...
I need a more serious than my living room and low efficienty speakers... I'm happy for détails with its but where is the life of music....😉
I don't trust you !😛 the exercice thought game is : you have no limit of budget...
Well too much damping is a loss of détails, no damping is caothic : is there some Tools and measurements to check that when you are a drivers constructor or designer ? Values ?
Btw, Tinitus said like you about B&C... not a bad advice... thanks for that. Hard to choose for a beginner when driver datas are close : Beyma, PHL, Faital, Eminence, B&C and so on... even if the driver is only 25% of the final result in the design ! I read, I read more and more and I read so much than I forget (almost) I have ears... I don't want to experiment during 20 years at 45 with my low budget !
Please at least look at the systems linked to in the 2 posts before your comment. (#29 & 30). You may not read French, but just by looking you can see that these systems ARE about "quality throughout."
I have not heard either of those linked, but have heard similar systems in Europe and North America. They present music on a realistic stage that small box speakers and subs just can not. It's not about SPL or macho, it's about scale and realism. Of course if you want Pink Floyd concert levels, you can get them easily enough. We are talking man-cave, aster all 🙂
For any of you who have not heard systems of this magnitude, you are really missing something amazing.
There was the Voice of Theater... now we have the Voice of (The) Hermitage.
... both because you need a lot of Space and to be a Hermit (no neighboors)
Sorry can't resist !
Yep. I started working with reformatted VOTT speakers in the mid 80s. Only in 2010 did I get a space to put them into. Before that I never thought I'd own a system like this. It does require some space and isolation. I be happy with even more room than I now have.
Yes Pano, I'm agree, It's not about the country. You have serious diyers & great systems everywhere "even in Europe" (if only most of people can imagine the richness of this place...) and in small countries with small incomes like central Europe.
Ok it's about money, the more you have the more big systems you can see (Japan (read and re-read Hiraga reviews), USA &... China (?) ) but with some rare like that it's also about personal investment and "passion" (I try a bad word game : pain-ssion !: pay your meal & bed for what you want to hear !)).
I wanted to fill in the form of Melaudia club, but a litle far from my home... But what I liked in the photographs was the gap with the speaker system and the bad chinese DIY DAC (because I know this last to have it : raindrophui !)... But I trust those enthusiasts to have nowadays thousand more serious dacs !....)
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