Yes. DBT is a great way of zeroing in on a design by listening. Toole and Olive have written extensively about it.
Oh, you mean like the guys at ADI and National Semi? They're not electronics designers? John, face it, you're just talking about a small niche of marginal boutique designers, not audio or electronics in general.
Really? You think that the designers of (for example) MP3 claim that it can't be detected in a DBT?
Indeed true. Where the stakes are high (medical), rigorous testing is the norm. They're not in the business of making expensive toys.
Isn't this technically a blind and not double blind test?
Matrix HiFi --> Blind testing high end full equipments
Still its results do not support you belief(s).
Hey brooke, thanks.
Before we handle directional cables, let's get this question fully sorted first hahahaha.
look, no biggie really. I doubt you have an answer anyway..you claim the important thing is 'use your ears'.
I think we all agree on this basic premise.
Then why is it vitally important that you know the identity of the cables.
Anyway, I'm sure I am not alone in feeling I have one foot nailed to the floor, for some reason all that ever happens is we go around and around in circles.
I look forward to Toms test.
Sounds like John Curl is getting close to agreeing to do a test blinded. Excellent. Maybe you could participate in that one brooke.
The opposite could just as easily be said. Why not try to avoid logical fallacies?
Dan
oops, John does not want double blinded...so the salesman can drop all the hints, intentional or otherwise, that he likes.
'can you hear the better clarity with cable B that is missing from cable A??'
"yes I can, boy, what IS cable B? I can't wait to get on my audiophile forum and sock it to those objectivist guys, I bought my cable when I did not even know what it was, so much for their theories"
'can you hear the better clarity with cable B that is missing from cable A??'
"yes I can, boy, what IS cable B? I can't wait to get on my audiophile forum and sock it to those objectivist guys, I bought my cable when I did not even know what it was, so much for their theories"
Hi,
Designing high-end audio is all about trying to avoid logical fallacies and much more than that.
Cheers, 😉
Designing high-end audio is all about trying to avoid logical fallacies and much more than that.
Cheers, 😉
I worked for a couple of years at the company that designed the 'Oxford' digital console for Sony. They used ABX testing to good effect to understand the slight colourations they were getting in their DACs. So perhaps, as SY says, its only the 'boutique' guys who don't use ABX.
Hi,
How were they so certain about the colourations in that digital (by all means) console in the first place?
Do not tell me they actually listened to it. God forbid.
Cheers, 😉
How were they so certain about the colourations in that digital (by all means) console in the first place?
Do not tell me they actually listened to it. God forbid.
Cheers, 😉
Like I said, the colourations were occuring in the DACs, not the console itself - that was still being designed. As far as I can recall they ABX'd between a straight wire and the ADC/DAC path. The source for the comparison was vinyl I think so as not to begin with a strongly band-limited signal.
Maybe we need a "Sound Science" section of the forum to seperate this kind of stuff from "Cable Discussions"?
Terry, it was both sighted and not. After doing it myself I asked the wife to swap out the headphones for me. I was able to tell them apart. Don't remember the exact numbers.
Seems like some of my posts kept disappearing, oh well, I will chalk it upto me making a good point and some of us using the delete function to bolster their opinions. Funny.
Terry, it was both sighted and not. After doing it myself I asked the wife to swap out the headphones for me. I was able to tell them apart. Don't remember the exact numbers.
Seems like some of my posts kept disappearing, oh well, I will chalk it upto me making a good point and some of us using the delete function to bolster their opinions. Funny.
Hi,
IOW, they used what they had.
Strongly bandwidth limited uncoloured vinyl which I take is black, has a bandwidth of 10 to 30K at best and never ever comes nowhere near to a master tape.
Nice, very nice.
Yeah, sure, it's all audio related somehow I guess....
What the heck do I know, 😉 😀
IOW, they used what they had.
Strongly bandwidth limited uncoloured vinyl which I take is black, has a bandwidth of 10 to 30K at best and never ever comes nowhere near to a master tape.
Nice, very nice.
Yeah, sure, it's all audio related somehow I guess....
What the heck do I know, 😉 😀
Hi,
Technically that can't happen.
Unless somone got hold of your password or a mod intervened perhaps.
Don't get paranoid, everything past 1984 is on tape anyhow.
Now go paranoid.
What we need most is people to report their listening tests when done in a more rigidly controlled way iso I heard it and the wife heard it too, won't you think?
Cheers, 😉
Technically that can't happen.
Unless somone got hold of your password or a mod intervened perhaps.
Don't get paranoid, everything past 1984 is on tape anyhow.
Now go paranoid.
What we need most is people to report their listening tests when done in a more rigidly controlled way iso I heard it and the wife heard it too, won't you think?
Cheers, 😉
Working as they were with Sony Professional (Basingstoke) at the time, I'm sure access to master tape wouldn't have been a problem. They may have even used master tape for some of the tests, I don't really remember. They didn't have the ABX box initially, they built it themselves, so its not really correct to claim that 'they used what they had'.
I was using 'not strongly band-limited' in comparison with a digital source. I agree, master tapes are way above black vinyl.
Indeed😀
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