The funny thing about listening is that when you try to do things in a way that people feel the pressure to make a sound judgement, the ears adapt to the sound much faster and you hear less differences unless there is one passage in the specific music that can be focussed on to identify differences.
Hi,
It's only science to some of us. To those that listen it is art.🙂
I'll never understand why the expression of feelings should have to be turned into some form of science.
Beer or wine for you Sir? 😀
It's only science to some of us. To those that listen it is art.🙂
I'll never understand why the expression of feelings should have to be turned into some form of science.
Beer or wine for you Sir? 😀
For the record, I was told that Sony banned the use of my 8 channel discrete console, in listening comparisons, that I originally made for Elliott Mazer, in 1980, then ceded to CCRMA at Stanford in the late 80's. It was CCRMA that told me this. This might imply different sonic standards than most hi end companies have.
The guys I've been talking about weren't Sony employees at the time, Sony's corporate sonic standards (if such there be) wouldn't have been applicable.
There is acceptable proof of anything in audio? 
It isn't. Nobody protests against anybodies feelings. Rather, it's the people with the feelings that want to convince us that we should adopt the same feelings. But I'm sure you got that years ago. Disappointing that you still flog the points you know not to be true.
jd
I like the idea of directional cables. I'm a bit of a control freak and the idea of forcing those electrons to travel with better quality in one direction than the other is just the ticket.
Also I like the look of cables with arrows on them. Very helpful when doing sighted tests so I know if the sound quality has been compromised by the arrows pointing in the wrong direction.
I like the idea of directional cables. I'm a bit of a control freak and the idea of forcing those electrons to travel with better quality in one direction than the other is just the ticket.
Also I like the look of cables with arrows on them. Very helpful when doing sighted tests so I know if the sound quality has been compromised by the arrows pointing in the wrong direction.
So you don't believe in directional wire. How bout directional cables? 🙂
Convince you of what? Seems like your motivation description describes you. You think there is a group of people wanting to convince you of something? Maybe its a conspiracy to have you buying high dollar cables? Or maybe you assumed most of this and no one cares how you feel about cables, except some other people like yourself. Are you trying to save people from themselves and the dark underworld of the audio cable? Or maybe it bothers you that anyone may disagree with you and you cant force yourself to drop it? Would it make you happy if I were to toss my cables in the trash and get some inexpensive cables? Or would it suffice for me to say that you are correct and no cable ever made an audible difference in a Hi-Fi rig. If that is what people want then thats fine.
"I Brooke Turner proclaim that no cable ever made an audible difference when used with an audio reproduction device."
You can even put it in your signature so you can show people when you are trying to convince them to feel the same way about cables as yourself.
How about trying to say something accurate and intellectually honest?
"I, Brooke Turner, believe that I can hear differences between wires. I have no proof of that, no-one else has any proof of that, but that's just my belief."
Does that work for you?
"I, Brooke Turner, believe that I can hear differences between wires. I have no proof of that, no-one else has any proof of that, but that's just my belief."
Does that work for you?
Doesn't work for me, especially since you're strongly suggesting its 'intellectually honest'. An honest statement would go something like this...
"I Brooke Turner, do hear differences between cables under normal sighted listening conditions. Proof of my own experience is an impossibility and what I or anyone else believes on this matter is mere conjecture."
The pervasive message coming through from people hearing differences between cables is that we should accept that these diferences are there, for pain of being deaf, dumb, closed-minded etc.
The 'sceptics' message is: "Really? Show me".
So you can settle this once and for all, and gain audio immortality. What are you waiting for?
jd
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Only if you use a nonstandard definition of "hear."
From the dictionary: hear 1. to perceive by the ear
Note the lack of mention of eyes or other sense organs. Of course, you can make the Humpty Dumpty argument...
olblueyez, I think by now if wire or cables was dircetional in any way it would have been discovered by other branches of electronics other than audio electronics:
I've solved the cable issue by going to wireless speakers. Now we can talk about distortion caused by digital RF conversion.
I suppose "directionality" started when long crystaline OFC cables entered the scene...what is it, 20 or 30 years ago ?
Maybe around the time the first Audiquest showed up in my country
"Directionality" is supposedly related to the streching or exstruding of the copper or silver
I once bought silver/silk cables from mr Duelund, and he claimed directionality too
He marked his cables accordingly to how the silver was oriented on the roll
But he couldnt tell which way was best, but only that he marked them so that they were equally oriented
He said I had try it out for myself, and that it wouldnt be so hard to hear which way was best
I admit, I never got around to that
But the Audioquest I once bought was certainly connected accordingly to the arrow markings, ofcourse
And I never tried to reverse them either
Personally I dont care whether its false or true
I never believed in it, nor did I ever question it
This "believer" and "non believer" thing, sounds pointless to me
Who introduced that rubbish anyway
Maybe around the time the first Audiquest showed up in my country
"Directionality" is supposedly related to the streching or exstruding of the copper or silver
I once bought silver/silk cables from mr Duelund, and he claimed directionality too
He marked his cables accordingly to how the silver was oriented on the roll
But he couldnt tell which way was best, but only that he marked them so that they were equally oriented
He said I had try it out for myself, and that it wouldnt be so hard to hear which way was best
I admit, I never got around to that
But the Audioquest I once bought was certainly connected accordingly to the arrow markings, ofcourse
And I never tried to reverse them either
Personally I dont care whether its false or true
I never believed in it, nor did I ever question it
This "believer" and "non believer" thing, sounds pointless to me
Who introduced that rubbish anyway
No, directionality started when smart engineers found a way to decrease hum and noise in interlinks: by using an additional screen, in addition to the 'ground' screen in the unbalanced cable, and ground that additional screen only at one end.
To maximize the benefit, the side were the ground was connected should be on the sending/source side. To help remember that they put an arrow on the cable, supposed to point from source to receiving side (amp).
That perfectly sensible developement was subsequently, as often happens in a fashion industry, taken up by marketeers to sell 'directional cables', and, as so often happens in a fashion industry, the unsuspecting masses fell for it.
jd
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