Depends on how you look at it, point is there is a difference between LF and HF impedance which may lead to other influences on music reproduction.
If you look at what I've asked you in reply, it should have been an answer.
No I guess not but if you are talking about 20Hz to 20kHz, it means very little. 🙂
Should have been, but it wasn't. Just one more evasion. So, I'll try asking one more time: what is the frequency response difference because of that alarming-sounding yet totally vague 33% figure you threw out there? Or do you not know how to calculate basic frequency response? (Hint: I already did this for you some weeks ago, but apparently it didn't penetrate your consciousness)
Then why did you fling out the 33% number? Wjhat's the scale and what's the relevance? Frequency response IS something demonstrated audible; you have yet to specify any other factor that's relevant to the minor change in cable impedance (thousandths of an ohm) at high frequencies.
So I take it that the answer is, no, you don't know how to calculate frequency response?
So I take it that the answer is, no, you don't know how to calculate frequency response?
Is the answer you want to hear that the difference is so small that no one can hear it,or is big enough so that all can hear it?
Why don't you try something yourself for a change instead of fighting everything others say by asking questions?Biwire a speaker with a 12awg wire on woofer and a 16awg on the tweeter and have a listen.After that,use two identical 12awg wires for both the woofer and the tweeter input,and listen.After that, put a series resistor in line with the 12awg tweeter wire,as needed to cause the same result as the 16awg wire,and listen again.Your findings will be welcome to all.
This is what Andre is saying,but this is not the answer to your question.
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With these changes, the easiest is just to measure them, that will give you a clear indication of the changes. I would venture that if the chages you see are less than, say 0.01dB, save yourself the time and effort for the listening.
After all, measurements can be shared by everyone while the notoriously unreliable listening tests are only for you, and nobody will take them seriously anyway, and righty so.
jd
WRONG.My opinion is that you just don't dare to try what I have described above and tell us honestly what you will hear.And you know why?Simply because you will HAVE to agree with Andre and me,and then no one will take you seriously either.....wrongly though.You just choose to hide your head behind measurements.What Andre says about biwiring with 12 awg and 16 awg will be heard by ALL.Will any of you DARE at last?
Panikos, why do you assume I've never listened to various fancy wires in my systems over the years, despite me saying quite a few times that I have? Is it easier to argue the straw man than to present actual EVIDENCE or actual plausibility arguments?
For the little experiment described above,neither Andre or I said anything about fancy wires.I am sure you have heard many expensive wires.Have I ever showed to you that I don't believe what you are saying to me?I don't think so,and you know it.Why don't you try this little experiment with any grade of wire you like,and let us have your findings.You will have to agree with Ande and me also.And perhaps that will be your EVIDENCE at least on something🙂
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Well if it is heard by all, that then settles it doesn't it? I mean if there is no doubt, why continue to test it?
I thought it is reasonable to first get a feel for the issue and then determine whether it is worth it. If the measurements (which cannot be discounted so easily as an unreliable, uncontrolled, anecdotal listening test by one or two guys) show a substantial difference, I'm willing to invest some time. Not on a ghost hunt.
Edit: If the measured differences are substantial, I may even agree right away that they would be audible. Howszat?
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And not if it involves spending money. So I'll freely admit to never having tried the fraudulent devices from Kait or sending money to the nice Nigerian fellow.
Doing the test as suggested above,you will hear the difference.But it seems you are trying to avoid it.There is a danger in this test,and that is to have measurements that show very small difference,but hear big difference.What is stopping you from doing a listening test before you measure anything?Is it a scientific crime?By not listening to anything before you get a "substantial difference" as you say,it simply shows you just don't dare to put your belief in measurements in doubt.After a test like this,the ghosts may be hunting you,not you them🙂
Just seen your post SY.DO the biwiring test with a cheap 12awg and a cheap 16awg wire.You will still hear the difference clearly.
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I am not trying to avoid it, I'm telling you I will not do it without any reasonable indication it is worth my while.
I think I made my reasoning clear. If you chose to use words like 'simply shows you just don't dare to put your belief in measurements in doubt', there's not much I can do. Certainly these words will not propel me to suddenly do the test. You need to try better 😉.
Try 'religious' for instance, I understand some are sensitive to that 😉
jd
If you have separate inputs for lows and highs on your speakers,yes.If your speakers have three inputs,use the 16awg wires mostly on the mid and high inputs.This will show the differences easier,although you may not necessarily like the result in the final sound.
SY,we are talking about same amplifiers for each speaker input,right?
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I understand your position, but sometimes you have to try anyway. Just to see, if your premises were right, if the simplification that every model implies are justified (especially for this case) and so on.
It is the only countermeasure against running in circles. 🙂
Wishes
P.S. Maybe that you need a "triple blind" to listen against your bias.
Only because someone said we can forget about skin effect at audio frequencies, I'm not so sure that we can, that's all.
Sure FR is audible but it is not where you will find the effect of cable dia on HF. Whatever the effect is that I hear with larger dia cables on HF just happen to correlate with non-linear group delay. The loss in definition and detail have nothing to do with amplitude it is more like garbled information.
SY, I'm to old for playing games, try your children. 😉
You have your "religion" and I have mine.As for your time sure you can spend it any way you choose.But tell me something.What is the reason to test something if measurements show big and audible differences?On the contrary,when measureable differences may be small but audible differences may be big,that should be of much interrest especially for the scientific minded.I wonder what other reasons are there to stop you,if "fear" is not one of them.In the worse case you won't be able to hear any differences.
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