But I thought you said that peoples subjective perceptions differ? Like musicians. Or folks that don't listen as seriously or carefully as others.
Here you seem to be saying that your perception of the Jadis is the correct one, whereas if SY or anyone else hears different....it's the setup?
Gross slewing distortion, ringing and high output impedance are all eliminated as causes? How?
How did you determine this from SY's or others perceptions?
Actually, I did ask Jack Bybee about his 'purifiers'. I have known Jack Bybee for many years, in fact, he mentioned 1992, just yesterday. We have worked on audio projects, together, as well, and are still doing so. We are currently working on a new amplifier project, and that is why we got together, yesterday.
It is impossible for me to even relate to anyone here how the devices work, but Jack and I laughed about the fact that room temperature 'Cooper's pairs' are now found to exist in Graphene. We were told on this website, or a similar one, that this was impossible.
Jack mentioned that 40 years ago, when he was doing the research, with many others, for the military, several interesting discoveries were made. However, their employer said: "We pay you to do research, not to write papers." And so much of this info has needed to be 'rediscovered' by others, even today.
Jack and I also looked at the Debye paper, and he started reading it in detail, last night. He finds it very interesting and potentially useful, but he has not read it through, completely. Later today, it is 4:22am at the moment, will tell more.
It is impossible for me to even relate to anyone here how the devices work, but Jack and I laughed about the fact that room temperature 'Cooper's pairs' are now found to exist in Graphene. We were told on this website, or a similar one, that this was impossible.
Jack mentioned that 40 years ago, when he was doing the research, with many others, for the military, several interesting discoveries were made. However, their employer said: "We pay you to do research, not to write papers." And so much of this info has needed to be 'rediscovered' by others, even today.
Jack and I also looked at the Debye paper, and he started reading it in detail, last night. He finds it very interesting and potentially useful, but he has not read it through, completely. Later today, it is 4:22am at the moment, will tell more.
The electronic properties of graphene are far more interesting than that. Here's a nice review from a top physics journal:
http://onnes.ph.man.ac.uk/nano/Publications/RMP_2009.pdf
Totally irrelevant to audio, but because of my particular professional specialty, insanely interesting.
Funny thing this, how people seems to think everything will show up in FR. Like with amps or CD-players; allmost any cheap mumbo-lumbo can come up with a flat FR, still they do sound a bit different🙄
Cheap solutions. I`ve spent some yearts designing my own speakers (and uppgraded my amp++) with real heavy solid core all the way, includenig massive 1.order fiters. What a difference! Desillusionated high-enders with uber-expensive systems asks me what`s the secret and I show them my cheap 7awg massive speakercables😉
As far as I'm concerned this is just part of the smoke screen. Filtering noise in preference to signal with no a priori information violates superposition, causality, and the central limit theorem.
EDIT - Jeez I even took two years of Latin. Priory/priori, must have been a Freudian slip.
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If demonstrated, it's the biggest thing since Einstein. Sure-fire instant Nobel stuff. Why would someone hold this back from the world of physics, not to mention the million smackers that the prize carries? I've been told that it's because of military secrets- if that's so, I certainly hope that anyone buying these devices has a security clearance, and I'm glad that this futuristic physics is being applied where it belongs: high-end audio gear.
Does Bob the Aether guy put them in his wires?
It is too bad that SY and Scott Wurcer have such a view of Jack Bybee. They could have met with him and asked him questions, themselves, but no takers.
I tried to get Bob Cordell to meet with Jack Bybee at the RMAF, but he declined, saying that he had met him, once before.
You guys do NOT make the laws of physics. You may think that you KNOW the laws of physics, but you can only know what you have learned in the past, and the old rules get 'bent' all the time. That is why neutrinos appear to have some 'mass' and why Fermions change into Bosons, and back, in special situations.
So far as I know, Jack's devices do not look at noise, directly, but to specific electron energy states, you know up, down, spin, etc. The noise improvement is subtle to be sure, and in fact, barely measurable, BUT it has been measured. Why we can hear such differences, I do not completely understand, but we do, strangers often do, without knowing the 'story', I have seen this, myself, and sometimes to the detriment of our efforts. In other words, the devices sometimes backfire, and take away something that is necessary for audio spectrum 'balance' in an audio system. Take them out OF THE POWER LINE and the spectrum, returns. Go figure.
I tried to get Bob Cordell to meet with Jack Bybee at the RMAF, but he declined, saying that he had met him, once before.
You guys do NOT make the laws of physics. You may think that you KNOW the laws of physics, but you can only know what you have learned in the past, and the old rules get 'bent' all the time. That is why neutrinos appear to have some 'mass' and why Fermions change into Bosons, and back, in special situations.
So far as I know, Jack's devices do not look at noise, directly, but to specific electron energy states, you know up, down, spin, etc. The noise improvement is subtle to be sure, and in fact, barely measurable, BUT it has been measured. Why we can hear such differences, I do not completely understand, but we do, strangers often do, without knowing the 'story', I have seen this, myself, and sometimes to the detriment of our efforts. In other words, the devices sometimes backfire, and take away something that is necessary for audio spectrum 'balance' in an audio system. Take them out OF THE POWER LINE and the spectrum, returns. Go figure.
That's the heart of the matter here. The "Cable Objectivists" say that the only difference cables can make comes down to the L,C,R, components. In speaker wire that means only FR and overall level*.
The "Cable Subjectivists" say no, there is more to it than that.
So if we find 2 cables that sound different enough to matter, can we simply EQ one to match the other? With FR and level now matched, will they sound the same? One camp says yes, the other no.
Yes, because that is the only difference there could be.
No, because there are other differences not measured in FR and level.
Pretty simple. At least that part.
*and maybe amp stability.
So what?
As I said years ago, even if Bybee's devices were superconductive at room temperature, so what? All that means is that they wouldn't produce any noise of their own. But of course you can keep them from producing any noise of their own by simply not using them in the first place.
All Bybee has ever done is baffle with ********, tossing out buzzwords as if they somehow have some sort of relevance. And you've allowed yourself to get suckered in by it all when you should know better.
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And Jack could just as easily post here or anywhere else where his devices have been discussed over the years and answer questions. But he has refused.
How 'bout accepting a phone call from SY? Or is his telephone number a military secret as well?
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Another question is, would we be indemnified against the $25,000 fines and/or time in Leavenworth. 😀
Wow, this is even further OT than the cheesecake, and not half as fun to look at. Can you guys continue the Bybee discussion where it belongs, in the Blowtorch thread?
Defo, discussions of filters that don't do anything deserve to be in the thread about an amp that tells us nothing about the amp.
Well, there is highly classified, there is need-to-know, company confidential, etc. Just because something was classified at one time, doesn't make it classified in the same way, today. Things change, the Bybee devices certainly do. Still, there is a fine line between disclosure and just talking around the subject. Jack does a lot of 'talking around, but his principles are still applicable to the subject, so far as I can tell.
For example, for everyone: Remember the movie, 'Startrek 4' when Scotty gives the formula for 'transparent aluminum' to people in the 20th century?
Well, I found its equivalent in a technical article recently. It is some form of Aluminum Nitride that is transparent, very hard, and is used for optical windows of missles. You can buy some today, but you could NOT buy some, perhaps 10 years ago. Things go out of being dark secrets, but I'm sure if the Iranian military (for example) came over and tried to get the process for making it, they would be rebuffed. If large sales of this stuff were destined for certain countries, I bet that they would be stopped.
It is just this sort of situation with Bybee devices.
For example, for everyone: Remember the movie, 'Startrek 4' when Scotty gives the formula for 'transparent aluminum' to people in the 20th century?
Well, I found its equivalent in a technical article recently. It is some form of Aluminum Nitride that is transparent, very hard, and is used for optical windows of missles. You can buy some today, but you could NOT buy some, perhaps 10 years ago. Things go out of being dark secrets, but I'm sure if the Iranian military (for example) came over and tried to get the process for making it, they would be rebuffed. If large sales of this stuff were destined for certain countries, I bet that they would be stopped.
It is just this sort of situation with Bybee devices.
I agree that we should stop talking about Bybee devices. It is useless to do so on this forum, and it only creates animosity between sometime colleagues.
I agree, though John you should check out Mr. Smith's "Smith Cell" at Aether Audio. I guess there is more than one path to "Quantum Purification".
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