I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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What I am doing here if so rich companies endorse that? With such successful conclusions I am off to rain forests before they get wiped out. I will come back with the SU psychotropic (Salas Ultima). :bulb: Then I will ask SY that knows chemistry to organise SYU medical. We will top tycoon status. Diamond cables for our reading lamps in our palaces! Yes sir! SY, stay put. If I will survive the cayman ali-g, we will become legends!:cloud9:
 
Is this your way of trying to appease yourself, as you do not allow your self to hear what is going on your own system and become familiar enough with it to know when things change?

Mood has nothing to do with this argument. It has been proven to me and others over extended periods of time. I am thankful that I am not jaded by obvious bias, based upon what science tells me I am supposed to hear, even when I do. If I hear it over and over again and if someone else hears it too, then I am never going to consider that I am anything but correct. Simple as that.

Voodoo to many of you, but obvious to many more like me. We simple live in parallel universes. One side loves music and its emotional connection, the other lives to solve problems and build the "prefect machine", with obvious disregard for the sonic truth. Meters and scopes were not equipped with ears or a brain. I believe that was for a reason too.

If you see my build threads you will be chuffed of how much we say there about clearly hearing highly debatable subjective experiences with all parts, bias points etc. It is just we don't take our human enthusiasm experiences as evidence of natural law. We try to be happy with our hobby. Do you diy?
 
Misquoted me for personal gain I see :headshot:
No, I don't sell hifi equipment or kits or wires or anything else. That's a curious accusation from someone with your background.

Come on SY, lets get back to explaining the differences which others hear.

I'm still waiting for someone to demonstrate that they hear anything. Hasn't happened yet, just more hot air. You still don't yet get the distinction between "hear" and "claim to hear?"
 
If you see my build threads you will be chuffed of how much we say there about clearly hearing highly debatable subjective experiences with all parts, bias points etc. It is just we don't take our human enthusiasm experiences as evidence of natural law. We try to be happy with our hobby. Do you diy?

Yes I do DIY. I am building a pair of mono tube amps. I will use a scope and signal generator during the build, but all final circuit choices will be based upon what I hear in the end. I have experimented with tube amplifiers for years, modifying circuits, swapping out passive components, etc. I do not design anything, but I have a very good basic understanding of circuitry.

If as your point out that your views of subjective listening are accepted, even though not supported by natural law, why is there so much venom against it here in this thread?
 
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No, I don't sell hifi equipment or kits or wires or anything else. That's a curious accusation from someone with your background.



I'm still waiting for someone to demonstrate that they hear anything. Hasn't happened yet, just more hot air. You still don't yet get the distinction between "hear" and "claim to hear?"

Well you might not do any of those things, but you did alter my post in your reply. I can only guess it was to help make your supposed point. You will have to enlighten me as to why you did it.
 
The market dictates what sells, as if one dealer will not carry something, another one will if there is a market for it.

Oh you make retail seem so easy. Somehow I doubt this is the way a lot of big retail outlets are run.

Not trying to pick on you but what is your stance on cables exactly? I can't even remember you stating much of anything except Hi-Fi is good and Mid-Fi is bad.
 
Yes I do DIY. I am building a pair of mono tube amps. I will use a scope and signal generator during the build, but all final circuit choices will be based upon what I hear in the end. I have experimented with tube amplifiers for years, modifying circuits, swapping out passive components, etc. I do not design anything, but I have a very good basic understanding of circuitry.

If as your point out that your views of subjective listening are accepted, even though not supported by natural law, why is there so much venom against it here in this thread?

Talking about myself I don't think I have shown any venom beyond humor. They only venom I seek is the one that will make me rich, and its hidden in the glands of an electric blue elusive snake in the rain forest.😀
 
TO THE THREAD TITLE===> Why Do they build their spekears with small grade wire? Never seen Big Fat Cables going to a tweeter nor a 10" driver. I Know Amps in both driver add up in the common ground But round size doesn't. Just dont run your cables near Plugs and 120v wires!
 
Oh you make retail seem so easy. Somehow I doubt this is the way a lot of big retail outlets are run.

Not trying to pick on you but what is your stance on cables exactly? I can't even remember you stating much of anything except Hi-Fi is good and Mid-Fi is bad.

I have no experience in mid-fi stores as they use too many sales tactics that are underhanded and down right illegal, as far as I am concerned, with the A/B switching and assorted tricks that are used to confuse buyers. High end retail is relative easy if:
1) You have the best quality audio equipment and the knowledge to make the system sound its best in the environment it is placed.
2) a person is willing to listen and appreciates what you are offering
3) has the disposable income to purchase it.

It is not rocket science. No hard sales tactics, not rude behavior required (or allowed in any stores that I have been associated with over the years). You want customers to return because they trust you, not to steal them blind, lie to them, dupe them for the sake of a quick sale. Sorry but that model does not work long around educated people!
 
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What I am doing here if so rich companies endorse that? With such successful conclusions I am off to rain forests before they get wiped out. I will come back with the SU psychotropic (Salas Ultima). :bulb: Then I will ask SY that knows chemistry to organise SYU medical. We will top tycoon status. Diamond cables for our reading lamps in our palaces! Yes sir! SY, stay put. If I will survive the cayman ali-g, we will become legends!:cloud9:

I think you're on to something here 😀

Don't forget to patent it!


Magura 🙂
 
Oh you make retail seem so easy. Somehow I doubt this is the way a lot of big retail outlets are run.

Not trying to pick on you but what is your stance on cables exactly? I can't even remember you stating much of anything except Hi-Fi is good and Mid-Fi is bad.

Well you have not followed my posts too well then. Mid-fi sales should be banned due to deceptive sales practices and bogus claims from their manufacturers. It is plainly obvious if one is to listen to the mid-fi products vs a hi-fi (not necessarily expensive either) product that there is much verbose ** and very little meat in their stories. Everyone has a budget and there are some pieces of mid-fi that have appeal, but as a whole they are a marketing juggernaut, with little interest in musical reproduction.
 
Tektronix seems to be the pill of choice for your crowd too

Funny thing about that. I know a fellow who has worked for Tektronix most of his life. He's definitely the king of measurement. And he has a wonderful system that he designed and built - phono preamp, preamp, power amp, speakers. All his designs, all really top notch. He measures and listens.

Not a novel concept, just a very good application of it.
 
Funny thing about that. I know a fellow who has worked for Tektronix most of his life. He's definitely the king of measurement. And he has a wonderful system that he designed and built - phono preamp, preamp, power amp, speakers. All his designs, all really top notch. He measures and listens.

Not a novel concept, just a very good application of it.

I have no qualms with measuring and engineering, but the best designers that I know always listen to what they build, not rely on measurements alone to determine if the final product is worthy. That seems to elude many people here that only measure and never listen vs a similar known quality component. How else will you have a clue what your final product sounds like vs a known standard?
 
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Well you have not followed my posts too well then. Mid-fi sales should be banned due to deceptive sales practices and bogus claims from their manufacturers. It is plainly obvious if one is to listen to the mid-fi products vs a hi-fi (not necessarily expensive either) product that there is much verbose ** and very little meat in their stories. Everyone has a budget and there are some pieces of mid-fi that have appeal, but as a whole they are a marketing juggernaut, with little interest in musical reproduction.

Really ban midfi? lol. I was just thinking it was most likely a payola system for a lot of retail outlets. Or for the smaller ones I always seem to see things like "strategic partner" stickers for certain brand names.

Guess I haven't followed you that closely because it seems from my perspective you talk about people not hearing "it". The only clue I get from what I have read as to what "it" is, is that you think expensive = better quality generally.
 
Really ban midfi? lol. I was just thinking it was most likely a payola system for a lot of retail outlets. Or for the smaller ones I always seem to see things like "strategic partner" stickers for certain brand names.

Guess I haven't followed you that closely because it seems from my perspective you talk about people not hearing "it". The only clue I get from what I have read as to what "it" is, is that you think expensive = better quality generally.

Sound quality is on a sliding bias, but that is mainly because more money can afford better passive components than a budget based component. That is not to say that a properly designed budget product can not sound very good by any means. The quality is like charging a capacitor. As the capacitor reaches max charge the current rate reduces tremendously, same with high quality audio. Yes "some" of the most expensive audio is fantastic, but money alone does not make a great sounding component. Great capacitors, resistors, wiring, connectors, transformers, large quality heat sinks for heat dissipation, quality enclosures (which do not add to the sound per say, but are the finishing touches to a high quality component), etc all cost more money. It is up to each individual to decide what meets their needs and budgets. If something sounds better than another component in my system, that is what I want, provided I can afford it of course.

I truly miss the earlier days of high end audio, when cottage manufacturers (mostly determined DIYer's) were much more common in this industry. It was not all about beautiful cases or fancy logos on their front panels. People really wanted price/performance value. I truly hope that this part of the business returns as it was more enjoyable for me and the customers 🙂 Good quality sound does not have to cost an arm and a leg, but the finest sounding audio equipment is usually not cheap either.
 
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