cliffforrest said:
Well some people do use D/A A/D to convert samplerates and bitdepth because they think the process is better than software. But I did not say that I did. In fact I was saying the opposite because I thought that is what you were saying.
I have one track now that I've been mixing that I added some vinyl noise to. It's more of an artistic thing at that point but to my ears it just sounds too plastic any other way.
Well I don't remember what I took it from I just used a dusty old record and recorded the "silence" in between 2 tracks and looped it.
There were other reasons for it I guess. And the track isn't finished so I could end up taking it out - but I doubt it. I programed the drums from individual drum hits but I guess I was aiming to confuse reverse engineerers into thinking it was break or loop I lifted off a record.
There were other reasons for it I guess. And the track isn't finished so I could end up taking it out - but I doubt it. I programed the drums from individual drum hits but I guess I was aiming to confuse reverse engineerers into thinking it was break or loop I lifted off a record.
Actually there are plugins available to simulate 78, 33 1/3, & 45 RPM noise with the occasional properly spaced scratches. 78's would be shellac I presume.
If you are talking about noise from dirty, damaged or otherwise abused records, I understand. Otherwise, any noise from the vinyl itself is inaudible.
John
John
Izotopes makes one but it sounds fake to me. You are never going to get that randomness a real record will give you.
The doppler effect or leslie speakers have a ton of plugins that try to get that effect but not one sounds real to me. Some of them do sound very cool but they do not sound like the doppler effect to my ears. Seems like you can never get to that end where the simulation turns into emulation - it always sounds electronic if it's faked.
The doppler effect or leslie speakers have a ton of plugins that try to get that effect but not one sounds real to me. Some of them do sound very cool but they do not sound like the doppler effect to my ears. Seems like you can never get to that end where the simulation turns into emulation - it always sounds electronic if it's faked.
jlsem said:
Yeah I wasn't going that subtle with it. If I was to use my Kind of Blue 200gram QUIEX-SVP it would be kind of pointless unless I boosted it 20dB.
Wow, where do you buy your records? Even my newest, most pristine have surface noise that is greater than the preamp noise.
Yeah and if you are going to be technical anytime a record pops that effectively means that the dynamic range usually is in the negative haha.
There are a ton of brand new records pressed in dusty factories that come pretty bad right out of the wrapper. Even with a great stamper and dust free enviroment by the time you get to about 500 copies the stamp will start to give out and introduce noise etc..
There are a ton of brand new records pressed in dusty factories that come pretty bad right out of the wrapper. Even with a great stamper and dust free enviroment by the time you get to about 500 copies the stamp will start to give out and introduce noise etc..
Do you clean them thoroughly before you play them, even when brand new? Even so, I said the noise from vinyl is inaudible, not unmeasurable.😉
John
Yes, I do.
There's inevitable friction between the carbon lump and the gritty filled vinyl. The cartridge I am currently using has the classical upper midrange dishout typical of MCs, and that makes things a bit better in that respect, but definitely not inaudible.
There's inevitable friction between the carbon lump and the gritty filled vinyl. The cartridge I am currently using has the classical upper midrange dishout typical of MCs, and that makes things a bit better in that respect, but definitely not inaudible.
Because pressing an LP is old technology, you mustn't assume the pressing facility is antique.🙂 If a new record is noisy out of the wrapper, it is either made of low quality or recycled vinyl or the mold release was heavily applied and has attracted other fine contaminants.
John
So you are saying that the filler projects beyond the vinyl matrix at the surface of the groove and causes audible noise? I definitely can't hear surface noise while music is playing and I'm hard pressed to hear the vinyl between tracks, all other noise sources considered.
John
Eh I didn't say it was old. Just that they probably don't give a crap and aren't really listening to the test pressings etc.. Just churning out a product
Hi,
As per SY's Doppler suggestion-on the money if you'd ask me_ but have you also considered how elecromotors' interference can wreck havoc with that mains supply?
In the older days when science was just a toy to keep cleverishish people busy we used to use some modicum of common sense.
First of, we made sure all contact points in those nasty plugs were squeeky clean.
Heck, we even resorted to some NASA stuff to not only keep those contacts clean, we were also led to believe the magical potion would enhance those those darn contacts. I believe they did but have no proof of it.
Then we pondered about how multistrand wire could be so much worse than single strand. Be that for powercords, ICs or speakercables.
I still believe single strand is the way to go.
Let's face it, you really don't need to be a doctorandus in physics to see that multistranded wire is just asking for trouble.
Be that form microphoony or just by confusing electrons hesitating what path to paradise to choose.
Ah, confused electrons?
Oh, I won't even mention the possible minefields. It may just cost me my neck...
Enter dielectrica. To the best educated 'phile PTFE is the stuff to have around their wires as it has the least memory.
So, if it suits an interconnect and a cap, it sure wont hurt a speaker cable. It won't.
Soon metals came into the picture.
First purified copper followed by elongated crystal copper to silver, gold and god knows what.
None had any major significance to science, even though WE heard the difference loud and clear untill we convinced ourselves we had finally found the right degree of everything.
All of which still made a difference to our minds.
Mass dillusion is it?
You had just enjoyed bliss for a couple a weeks or the green guys would wreck havoc with your mind.
Plastic? Yikes.
You'll need natural materials son. Like cotton, silk.
Sounded like my beloved tubular racing tyres from yesteryore which, I confess, were fabulous pieces of work of art.
I could see the point.
Still, they did have something going for them and, yes, we did love mother nature so we decided to give that a try.
Natural stuff should sound more natural after all or so we convinced ourselves.
It did then and it still does. No idea why.....
Back to reality.
Is everything as clear cut as we want it to be? Is science always RIGHT?
Don't think so?
Cheers, 😉
P.S. Thank you for reading the nonsense.
Reality wants us to toe the line, to conform to what's expected from us. We need to behave and not ask questions.
Nothing gained, nothing ventured.
panomaniac said:Speaking of adding noise, I had a strange experience the other day. Was testing a driver, full range. The day was hot so I tuned on the fan. An increase in noise floor, no big deal. A little later I moved the fan so it was between me and the driver.
Strange change in sound, to be sure. Not the "singing into the fan" effect I knew from childhood, but a decrease in bass.After a few back and forths, it become eveident that it was an increase in the upper mids that the fan added, not a loss of bass. . Not sure what was going on there, but not what was expected - a Tonal balance change.
As per SY's Doppler suggestion-on the money if you'd ask me_ but have you also considered how elecromotors' interference can wreck havoc with that mains supply?
In the older days when science was just a toy to keep cleverishish people busy we used to use some modicum of common sense.
First of, we made sure all contact points in those nasty plugs were squeeky clean.
Heck, we even resorted to some NASA stuff to not only keep those contacts clean, we were also led to believe the magical potion would enhance those those darn contacts. I believe they did but have no proof of it.
Then we pondered about how multistrand wire could be so much worse than single strand. Be that for powercords, ICs or speakercables.
I still believe single strand is the way to go.
Let's face it, you really don't need to be a doctorandus in physics to see that multistranded wire is just asking for trouble.
Be that form microphoony or just by confusing electrons hesitating what path to paradise to choose.
Ah, confused electrons?
Oh, I won't even mention the possible minefields. It may just cost me my neck...
Enter dielectrica. To the best educated 'phile PTFE is the stuff to have around their wires as it has the least memory.
So, if it suits an interconnect and a cap, it sure wont hurt a speaker cable. It won't.
Soon metals came into the picture.
First purified copper followed by elongated crystal copper to silver, gold and god knows what.
None had any major significance to science, even though WE heard the difference loud and clear untill we convinced ourselves we had finally found the right degree of everything.
All of which still made a difference to our minds.
Mass dillusion is it?
You had just enjoyed bliss for a couple a weeks or the green guys would wreck havoc with your mind.
Plastic? Yikes.
You'll need natural materials son. Like cotton, silk.
Sounded like my beloved tubular racing tyres from yesteryore which, I confess, were fabulous pieces of work of art.
I could see the point.
Still, they did have something going for them and, yes, we did love mother nature so we decided to give that a try.
Natural stuff should sound more natural after all or so we convinced ourselves.
It did then and it still does. No idea why.....
Back to reality.
Is everything as clear cut as we want it to be? Is science always RIGHT?
Don't think so?
Cheers, 😉
P.S. Thank you for reading the nonsense.
Reality wants us to toe the line, to conform to what's expected from us. We need to behave and not ask questions.
Nothing gained, nothing ventured.
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