I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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@Andy
"My contention is that, if there was a difference heard and we wish to ABX test it, then altering any part of the system (except the component under question) sorta makes any result thus obtained pretty meaningless."

Yes this seems basic to me. Not all DBTs that upset the subjectivists have been done in a lab or unfamiliar surroundings. I have done simple blind tests in my home and really upset myself. It was only after this that I started to appreciate just how suggestive I was. I believe if more people on this thread tried a simple test, minds would change.
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nunayafb said:
No Brett not the link, thank you for that. No I proposed a theory about how small head movements would affect the spectral balance, just a mm or 2 would have significant effects at higher frequencies.
It was ignored, repeatedly.
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OK, I must have missed that too, popcorn and all.

I think you and Ethan are correct.
 
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nunayafb said:
[edit] a theory about how small head movements would affect the spectral balance, just a mm or 2 would have significant effects at higher frequencies. [edit]
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I believe in this. You get up to change your cable, when you sit down you are not in exactly the same place so the sound IS different even if you actually didn't change the cable.
 
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I have read nothing in this thread but try this.

Stand in front of a small group of people.
Give a glance over the group.
Now close your eyes and blow out air through your nose, 3-5 times.
Now slowly open your eyes and glance at the same group in front of u.

Is there a change?
Find for yourself

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Andy Graddon said:
Gees, that sort of response must make it basically impossible to tell which instrument is which, and where they are located in the
soundstage.
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Have you never seen an in room measurement (sweep) of a speaker at listening position? That's what it looks like.

Now go measure on of your speakers at the listening position with a sweep and some decent resolution and post it. Then you might get what others have been saying for a while.
Andy Graddon said:
Move a few inches and everything would sound completely different.

Who has noticed this ?
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Not completely, but noticeably so.
 
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Brett said:
Have you never seen an in room measurement (sweep) of a speaker at listening position? That's what it looks like.
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DOH ! Many times !! I KNOW this is what it would like !

How do you think this related to what we actually hear ??

Apart from spatial cues and detail, how different do good speakers sound compared to a pair of headphones with a flat frequency response. The sort of measured frequency abberations measured there would surely have major impacts on tone, timbre etc etc Is this shown vs headphones ?
 
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Andy Graddon said:


DOH ! Many times !! I KNOW this is what it would like !
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You know this, but the tiny possible effects are cables are still consistently audible to you?

Andy Graddon said:
How do you think this related to what we actually hear ??
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Instruments sound different in different acoustic environments and we have evolved to adapt. Instruments played outside sound very different to the same ones inside. Ditto speakers.

Apart from spatial cues and detail, how different do good speakers sound compared to a pair of headphones with a flat frequency response. The sort of measured frequency abberations measured there would surely have major impacts on tone, timbre etc etc Is this shown vs headphones ?

[/B][/QUOTE]Headphones aren't always flat, but are much, much closer than a speaker/room. When I was playing with amps a lot, I used my STAX to test for changes as they're the highest resolution, most consistent listening system I've ever heard.
 
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Andy Graddon said:

Gees, that sort of response must make it basically impossible to tell which instrument is which, and where they are located in the soundstage. Move a few inches and everything would sound completely different.

Who has noticed this ?
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I guess the answer you want is nobody hears this? So for you here is another example of measurements not corresponding to what you hear. In actual fact they do correspond. The mic is measuring real phenomena. What you see is the same signal that impinges on your ears. Your brilliant brain then makes sense of it, "that is a sax over there". When your head moves just a fraction the signal changes a lot but your brain is able to ignore that as it is focused on that sax. You do not realise just how brilliant your brain is.
 
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