Never seen what you said!
I do however agree with you on the speaker making a TON of difference!
I am with you on that, but, it is not reasonable to deny the effect of the rest of the things (room treatment probably being the most important).
To me the gears are all equally important to reach a top level sound. You can't have a top level sound unless EVERYTHING is top level.
In the other hand, it is not sensitive, to demonstrate important speakers with a cheap set up!!
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It probably hurts to hear criticisms of where we live. But I do agree with him. I live in a nice house in North America built out of wood and plastic. The plastic is necessary in my local climate or I'd be replacing bits too often. But I have also been to Italy and there is really no comparison, it is one of the most beautiful places on earth and I like to visit. But that's OK with me, I can afford to live in a bigger space and very comfortably in Canada which would not be within my means were I in Italy. But I am thankful that Italy exists.
sorry for the OT but I am still learning about vinyl so I can't contribute much. I do agree with others who have noted that the biggest problem with CD is crap material - I've got almost nothing that sounds decent if not from Chesky.
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Yes you are right! That is why I am bringing it up, hoping that they realize at least in part what I am trying to say.
I have been living in America for a while and I can testify that people (no matter medium/high/very high class) have no clue about quality.
They eat at McDonalds or KFC and think that it is great. Buy frozen stuff and go out in sandals to the store with white sucks and shorts with a shirt that won't even match the shorts to begin with.
Also think that pizza they have from Pizza Hut is good, while in the reality it is the grossest thing I have ever seen. They have tons of Italian restaurants and all it is is Americanized food.
If you sell them an high quality for instance sandwich with little bit of expensive high truffle and two slices of aged premium prosciutto with a little bit of true extra virgin olive oil, they will ask you why
1) there is no ketchup and likely will add onions and ketchup
2) wonder why you are giving them these little things for that much, while they can buy anything at the subs for $4 dollars that you need a wheel barrel to carry out and that only looking at it will cause your cholesterol to raise.
3) they don't find that the sandwich you are offering will taste strong enough for their "trained" tasted (this also comes in play with audio perception) because it's missing all the pickles, mustard, spicy sauce and so on and they will never buy something that simple for that high price.
Bottom line, the culture is rather spend less and get more although all low quality! This strongly reflects on comments made here on high quality hand crafted things. Not to mention the ridiculous comment about the Lamborghini Aventador which I will refuse to comment on. 😱
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You could always move to the UK - almost anything you can think of is either rubbish or priced in expotential numbers or both 😀
it's not an insult, but rather a reality (of course I have exaggerated and I was kind of kidding around on that a little bit)!!!
Go to Europe, learn a little bit about the culture there, experience the quality and the beauty of landscaping, buildings, cars, monuments, style, food...and then you will understand what I am saying!
This lack of education towards good things and high quality, inevitably reflects on other choices in life as well!
Please stop making assumptions, I have a LOT (Asia too). The McDonald's at Versailles was packed with French locals. KFC and Pizza Hut packed by local kids from Belgium to Japan ( I personally have never been to either in 4 decades).
Your nonsense is not worth any more bother.
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McDonald is an American franchise obviously they are going to make it as American as they can. "Recipes" have to follow the original standards.
Again, did you go to France and eat at McDonald????
Is that what I understand??? Please tell me that I am wrong!!! 😱😱😱
Yeah, what's to say, we ran out of wood faster than you guys. Given the chance, probably do it again.
(imo, breeding is highly overrated, totally useless in a bar fight)
No we noticed it trying to escape from the gaudy decadence of Versailles, we caused quite a stir forcing ourselves out back the wrong way. We dined at two nice 2 stars in Paris, at one the chef came out to see who was ordering his favorite wines.
BTW lots of bad food in Rome (good too) as well as "gladiators" with rubber swords. Virtually very restaurant tried to cheat us on the wine bringing out a pre-opened bottle or simply hiding the label until it was all poured.
Please stop.
So do I and I'm very happy I do. I live in a highly active seismic zone. Brick and stone come crumbling down while my house sways a bit.
With you on that one Scott. Arrogance and ignorance doesn't quite cover it.
Funny thread, sadly I missed it. I love to follow discussions about taste proven with science.
Yes, I live in a nation with many obese people, whom simultaneously suffering malnutrition. I eat quite well, and am just three pounds over my high school weight.
I am not joking about CD blowing that beautiful instrument out of the water. The information carrying capacity of its core technology, and its fidelity in extracting that information is smaller, and inferior to digital information technology at the core of CD machine.
Note my distinction of analog instrument and CD machine. CD need only read data. Phonograph cartridge must measure output by physically contacting fragile medium exposed to external elements.
Record cutting lathe is a machine. It blasts atoms out of a substrate exposed to atmosphere and to process tailings. Atoms of metal are scattered onto surface in liquid media exposed to contamination. In stamping phase inhomogeneous vinyl prone to contamination is done with press exposed to air.
Mere mortals clasp at exposed information stream with oil bearing skin.
CD manufacturing machine process also has pitfalls, many as with vinyl records. But with reading pits foiled by reflector only two states need to be ascertained. CD format isn't just bit stream of wave file values. It has check sum information, so if odd pit is deformed, full correction is possible. Read spot(s) focus through surface of media, small surface contaminates are read through. When detected by end user most are easily cleaned off of optically smooth surface.
With vinyl record act of contamination detection often leads to immediate and permanent damage to information stream, and to wear of stylus. Diamonds are not forever when forced to do real work.
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Sure it isn't those huge speakers of yours causing the disturbance 😀
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I haven't been able to read the whole thread so if I'm repeating old stuff my apologies - but I am interested in vinyl - have got myself a cartridge as an incentive to do something. The question is since I find it so hard to find well recorded CDs I tend to stick to places a I know but for vinyl I don't know where or how to source the good stuff, or whether it has an analogue or digital recording chain behind it anyway ?
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I see your problem , WI ....
It's a lot more than that. The range of what's available directly from the farm has increased dramatically. But as they say, ignorance is bliss.
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You might be surprised how much of what you seek is available in Europe - just head north to Scandinavia.
Can't remember the last time I ate at a McDonalds or Pizza Hut.. Plenty of good to great restaurants in this neck of the woods.
Lived in Milano as a teen so I do know good Italian food when I encounter it.
Many of my neighbors drive BMWs or Mercs, a few drive clunkers, with a smattering of new Jags, I drive a 3yr old turbocharged Subaru, bought new - it's fully paid for which I relish when I see the repo man driving by for an impending repossession. (This is comparatively rare now, but a few years ago it was a weekly occurrence.) I will keep it at least another 3 years..
Here in New England frugality is stilled regarded as a virtue in a few quarters at least, just because you have the money does not mean that you spend it, it also means that you save for adversity.
I appreciate quality, but frequently have to compromise due to practical considerations like acquisition and maintenance cost - what is "good enough" vs. what I really want. 😀 All discretionary purchases and most others are made with cash including any of the components or parts used (or that will be used) in my stereo system.
Lived in Milano as a teen so I do know good Italian food when I encounter it.
Many of my neighbors drive BMWs or Mercs, a few drive clunkers, with a smattering of new Jags, I drive a 3yr old turbocharged Subaru, bought new - it's fully paid for which I relish when I see the repo man driving by for an impending repossession. (This is comparatively rare now, but a few years ago it was a weekly occurrence.) I will keep it at least another 3 years..
Here in New England frugality is stilled regarded as a virtue in a few quarters at least, just because you have the money does not mean that you spend it, it also means that you save for adversity.
I appreciate quality, but frequently have to compromise due to practical considerations like acquisition and maintenance cost - what is "good enough" vs. what I really want. 😀 All discretionary purchases and most others are made with cash including any of the components or parts used (or that will be used) in my stereo system.
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