How better is a Turntable compared to a CD?

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I would still love to have a good-condition Win or Panasonic and take another crack at the electronics, now that I have another 35 years of experience behind me. 😀

Joking aside, correct me if I’m wrong. A perfect “velocity” cutter (coil and hot poker) has amplitude response of -20dB/decade. This is bad at both ends for different reasons, so since you can’t easily create a fractional f response there is an approximation (RIAA) pre-emphasis. I would be nice thinking of it if you could make say a 10dB/decade pre-emphasis with a single “ fractional pole” of two components. It’s hard to make these little things behave at high frequencies but at the low end both the Winn and Panasonic responses are just what you would predict using a constant amplitude transducer on RIAA pre-emphasis. So they lie equalization is still needed. Apparently the laser turntable folks don’t lie (I assume it reads groove amplitude directly). In which case their “same as needle” would be wrong on the face of it. Sigh, but I think a single time constant could prep it for a normal RIAA but why would they output such a tiny signal (so you could actually put it into a pre-amp).

I recently ordered myself a Laser Turntable, and got the question if I wanted...

1. "LT with Phono-out...Equalizer function not built in L.T., same as Needle turntable."
2. "LT with Line-Out.....Equalizer built in L.T."

This creates a problem, at high frequencies the strain gauges seem to depart from ideal in a manufacturer dependent manner so the user is faced with dealing with it on a case by case basis. I found a picture of the insides of the Winn interface no frequency shaping components visible. Needless to say Google finds no frequency response plots of the Soundsmith.

Again, if I’m wrong I’d love to see why never too old as they say.
 
I much more like some Koetsu figured housings.

No reason why a cartridge shouldn't look pretty.
(though the prettiest tend to fall in the highest $-league in 2 of 3 cases, as e.g. Koetsu. One would almost assume they style them deliberately)

A cartridge with a shape styling that has zero practical value/merits is shocking.
Even more so, if one witnesses folks buying into such BS, even those who likely can't easily afford such items.
All I can add is if they would like a pancake or a waffle with that schmoke.
 
Crows like shiny objects too. Sure is pretty.

Ears are all clogged up with eye candy.

Single easiest and best sound treatment is wall to wall carpet. Don't worry you can spend $30K so it looks good too.

Just plug in run of mill CD player and blow that fancy things performance right out of the water.

You are very wrong. Also, people here have forgotten the sense of beauty, when the roman empire use to build these beautiful buildings made of marvel and gold and paintings from the finest artists of the time.
Now american make home with cardboard and chalk and plastic...synthetic food...everything has to be cheap especially what you eat! I am not surprised people have bad tastes now and don't appreciate the beautiful things also reflects on their clothing, homes etc etc...
Setting this aside, I personally don't think the Cleraudio looks particularly great either, but it is definitely a top of the quality object with expensive finishing and I hope you are joking about blowing that analogue rig with a CD player right??
 
No reason why a cartridge shouldn't look pretty.
(though the prettiest tend to fall in the highest $-league in 2 of 3 cases, as e.g. Koetsu. One would almost assume they style them deliberately)

A cartridge with a shape styling that has zero practical value/merits is shocking.
Even more so, if one witnesses folks buying into such BS, even those who likely can't easily afford such items.
All I can add is if they would like a pancake or a waffle with that schmoke.

Those in Maritime or Finance can have their go, no harm, they get educated in music as a side effect instead of speeding Porsches on motorways killing themselves and some innocent folks too. Hands down nobler to collect music instead. We others better DIY and learn a bit of electronics in the process. There is the 2nd hand market for some bits we can't craft after all.
 
No reason why a cartridge shouldn't look pretty.
(though the prettiest tend to fall in the highest $-league in 2 of 3 cases, as e.g. Koetsu. One would almost assume they style them deliberately)

A cartridge with a shape styling that has zero practical value/merits is shocking.
Even more so, if one witnesses folks buying into such BS, even those who likely can't easily afford such items.
All I can add is if they would like a pancake or a waffle with that schmoke.

I kind of agree with you about putting unnecessary finishes on a cartridge that have no shocking absorption proprieties.
However, there are people who want to get top of the line performance and also have the wallet and want something that looks original and great.
I don't see what could be wrong with that.
Being more realistic, you probably don't need the diamond in the front nor the gold finish, however, that could account for $1-2K on total price. So if somebody can spend $13K on a cartridge, they will likely be able to spend $15K and get the best of the best!
I don't actually see what the problem is.
We should rather debate on whether the cartridge is a top contender at $15K or not.
For me it definitely is, it sounds like a world apart from others. Does it go 3 times as good as mine? Maybe not, but certainly it is much better and I have no problem admitting it.
At this performance level, you pay big bucks to get the ultimate performance, whether you accept it or not!
 
Does being insulting aid your point?

it's not an insult, but rather a reality (of course I have exaggerated and I was kind of kidding around on that a little bit)!!!
Go to Europe, learn a little bit about the culture there, experience the quality and the beauty of landscaping, buildings, cars, monuments, style, food...and then you will understand what I am saying!

This lack of education towards good things and high quality, inevitably reflects on other choices in life as well! :soapbox:
 
merlin el mago said:
But when I look a CD, SACD, etc I can't see nothing to pay a lot of money that manufacturers are asking....
High price can boost sales. Precision mechanical engineering costs money as it has to be repeated for every item made. Precision electrical engineering only has to be done once (apart from what the chip makers do) so much cheaper, but people carry 'mechanical' ideas about quality into the 'electrical' field and so encourage others to overcharge them. You don't get bragging rights from saving money.
 
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