One of the problems with 16bit is that reverb tails have an audibly stepped response while with 24bit reverbs tail out much more smoothly.
With dithered signals? Can you give me a cite for this?
I paid $59 for my BIC manual turntable about 1979. Put one 4-40 washer under the shure v15 cartridge to square it up. Have played it for 31 years. No maintenance, other than checking needle occasionally. PIcked up a spare at a garage sale last year for $20. This company promptly went out of business, even before the introduction of the CD. ???? After the invention of UHMW bearings, the main wear point should be the rubber belt. I know, I'm due.Perhaps on the vinyl rig but I can't imagine a bigger waste of money. Mechanical recorders have way too many things that don't behave properly.
G²
Not dithered
OK, I'll certainly concede that if a recording is done incompetently (whether analog or digital), it will suck.😀 But reality: digital recordings are dithered- the "reverb tails" go right down into the silence, a silence that's 20-30dB lower than an LP played on the best possible equipment.
One of the problems with 16bit is that reverb tails have an audibly stepped response while with 24bit reverbs tail out much more smoothly.
24bit seems to be ok for replay but any processing (even simple eq functions) should be done at even higher bit rates for them to become transparent.
So you're saying Digital is OK. You just want more samples and more bits. In Audition you can select 32 bit processing.
G²
OK, I'll certainly concede that if a recording is done incompetently (whether analog or digital), it will suck.😀 But reality: digital recordings are dithered- the "reverb tails" go right down into the silence, a silence that's 20-30dB lower than an LP played on the best possible equipment.
So by adding noise , it sounds better .................🙂
Mastering for vinyl, 1957, jazz. Compare to what you get now from digital 😀
You blame that on digital? Really? REALLY?????
Did you read the word "mastering"? 😀
Anyway , mastering is a non-detachable part of the contemporary technology 😉
Anyway , mastering is a non-detachable part of the contemporary technology 😉
We all know its fighting windmills. That's one reason why I can't listen to popular music anymore on the radio. Exactly the opposite of what the compressors intended. Still, new albums keep appearing with completely ruined music. We're not going to change that. 🙂
If they were mastering to 8 tracks, they'd still compress. While a valid issue for music lovers, it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
So you're saying Digital is OK. You just want more samples and more bits. In Audition you can select 32 bit processing.
G²
My cheap 12ch ADDA does all internal processing (incl. volume) at 32bit, no need to select anything. Input/output is 24bit and I selected the sample rate as 88.2kHz. It does 192kHz as well but I can't hear any difference to 88.2 or 96.
What's 'Audition' anyway?
OK, I'll certainly concede that if a recording is done incompetently (whether analog or digital), it will suck.😀 But reality: digital recordings are dithered- the "reverb tails" go right down into the silence, a silence that's 20-30dB lower than an LP played on the best possible equipment.
That was at college and the lecturer would have simply not allowed incompetent recording. After all he produced a number of multi-million selling albums (back in the good old days before the loudness wars and some even before digital), designed a number of studios etc. He's got a reputation to loose…
His assistant did the engineering on aforementioned albums. Both were extremely anal when it came to gain structure.
The console used was an SSL and if you can't get a good recording through that you might as well stop bothering.
And yeah, of course the reverb tails went right down to the noise floor, it's just that the end of them were audibly stepped using 16bit.
If these were undithered as you said, then despite his years of experience, he did not do a competent job. That's not unknown when old timers face new technologies (and I say that through my white beard).
Why dont you just listen?? Instead of "having a gentleman's war" about techs"?
Analogue sounds better in 90% of all the setups. The last 10 % has to be good high end and beyond to hear digital equals analogue n transparency and most musicality.
Most mainstream speakers are not even musical
Analogue sounds better in 90% of all the setups. The last 10 % has to be good high end and beyond to hear digital equals analogue n transparency and most musicality.
Most mainstream speakers are not even musical
I have made A-B tests of the LP against LP digitized to 16/44.1 (with dither).
Digitized LP = worst of both worlds 😀
Digitized LP = worst of both worlds 😀
I have made A-B tests of the LP against LP digitized to 16/44.1 (with dither).
Digitized LP = worst of both worlds 😀
Interesting. Care to publish some data?
Perhaps on the vinyl rig but I can't imagine a bigger waste of money. Mechanical recorders have way too many things that don't behave properly.
G²
Yes, just like a Formula 1 car compared to a Toyota Corolla.
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TerryO
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