Indeed it is marce - still not understanding the meaning of 'tilting at windmills' then?
Oh and while we're about it, if the binary point is not after the LSB then most certainly we do get 0.5, 0.25.....
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But DACs are not floating point!
The point I am getting at with bits is that maybe if people thought of bits as bits and looked at digital signal distribution as digital signal and employ recognised signal integrity engineering for digital signals then maybe some myths would disappear and better solutions could be found. Noise is a separate issue and would require specific filtering dependant on what noise is present and if it is being carried down the cable...
As to home made USB cables, are they to the required spec, are they 90 Oms differential characteristic impedance... and how do they improve of change the sound.
The point I am getting at with bits is that maybe if people thought of bits as bits and looked at digital signal distribution as digital signal and employ recognised signal integrity engineering for digital signals then maybe some myths would disappear and better solutions could be found. Noise is a separate issue and would require specific filtering dependant on what noise is present and if it is being carried down the cable...
As to home made USB cables, are they to the required spec, are they 90 Oms differential characteristic impedance... and how do they improve of change the sound.
Thinking further, it is not half a bit, a BIT is a BIT whatever, it is the value the bit represents.....
Vacuphile, we may discover the elusive Audio dark bit if we did that, it is these dark bits that are the cause of digital cables such as USB cables. making the sound change in a fashion that can only be achieved by the use of DSP or similar in the rest of the world.🙂
Vacuphile, we may discover the elusive Audio dark bit if we did that, it is these dark bits that are the cause of digital cables such as USB cables. making the sound change in a fashion that can only be achieved by the use of DSP or similar in the rest of the world.🙂
You said bits aint bits which is incorrect...
As to the rest yawn factor 10, put up plenty of info regarding EMC, signal integrity etc. etc. its basic engineering practice.....
If it's basic engineering practice why has it been so problematic in the real world, à la the typical audio components one can buy? Why have so many digital based replay systems bored, irked, irritated and not satisfied keen music listeners? Is it because 'correct' production is plain not really worthwhile listening to ... or, the listeners haven't got a clue what reproduction should sound like?
Or is it because the digital replay quite often is just not quite working properly ... ?
Or is it because the digital replay quite often is just not quite working properly ... ?
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A malfunctioning DAC is always a possibility -- you could have yours checked -- but would be about as common as a malfunctioning linestage within a preamp.
There are numerous reasons why any specific individual will find a turntable more satisfying-sounding than a DAC, some of them more about perceptual filters than sound waves, some of them about the rest of the gear and room interaction, but it's really up to that individual to find out what they are, if he cares (he usually doesn't). But one thing that it is NOT due to, is audible deficiencies in the way a working-to-spec DAC is replicating the analog signal that was earlier fed into an ADC for storage.
It is worth noting that the purest analog signal that you will ever see in an audio playback chain, will always be coming out the back of a DAC. Turntables and tape decks produce a relatively polluted and distorted analog audio signal. Ask me why some people prefer that and I will simply point to the previous paragraph.
P.S. it is nice to see a modicum of resistance in this thread to the anti-digital hordes of turntable apologists, who never miss an opportunity to make outrageous overgeneralizations based on staggeringly ill-considered listening, ahem, 'tests', against feeble resistance from non-luddites, most of whom have long left the entire issue and left turntables and their placard-waving apologists in the stagnant backwater that is their playground, where they mistake smelly algae for roses and palms and ferns waving in the gentle breezes of paradise.
So, you're certain that a DAC working per the usual means of measuring will have no audible deficiences under any circumstances?
Provide some figures that prove this, I would suggest most are happy with their digital playback...
Also it would be nice to see some reliable data on digital being so bad... some blind testing would be in order here.....
Also it would be nice to see some reliable data on digital being so bad... some blind testing would be in order here.....
When something is so blitheringly stupid, and repeated ad nauseum, with absolutely no awareness or desire for awareness, feeding it just creates even more useless gas. It provides no enlightenment, just more gas.
Save your arguments for people who actually know something, or are trying to learn something, and/or actually do things beyond typing messages on the Internet.
Good suggestion, I'll do that. But he did ask me a question, albeit using a debating trick, so it was courtesy to explain why I spotted the debating trick and won't be taking the question seriously.
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