The loop around the OPS (Fig 12c) showed conditional stability. You have moved to second order to improve the stability?
Also curious about Fig 7. Why the low frequency roll-off?
And a last one for today - in Fig. 12 C22 and C23 could be combined and tied to point OPSIP in a natural way. Any reason to use 2 capacitors?
Best wishes.
David
BTW in Dutch we say: 'voor de kat z'n kut' In polite conversation?😉
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At the same time time I've increased the time-constants of the OPS compensation somewhat. As a result, the PM is about the same, while the distortion is decreased by ca. 40%. Notice that this kind of compensation differs from Miller or TMC. Should we call it 'feed-forward compensation' (comparable to the compensation in Bob's HEC-OPS)?
RC5 and CC5 define the second order response, but at the same time CC5 also provides some phase lead.
What you see there is the local loop gain of the Miller compensation (the lower the frequency, the higher the impedance of the Miller caps, the lower the loop gain, hence...).
The intention here is that the Miller caps (C19 & C20, see pic below) are directly connected to the output of the TIS buffers, i.e. to the emitters of Q21 respectively Q22. Tying them somewhere in the middle of the OPS compensation network is not a good idea.
(literally: 'for the cat his cυnt')
In the presence of our queen, I wouldn't use those words. 😉
At the same time time I've increased the time-constants of the OPS compensation somewhat. As a result, the PM is about the same, while the distortion is decreased by ca. 40%. Notice that this kind of compensation differs from Miller or TMC. Should we call it 'feed-forward compensation' (comparable to the compensation in Bob's HEC-OPS)?
RC5 and CC5 define the second order response, but at the same time CC5 also provides some phase lead.
What you see there is the local loop gain of the Miller compensation (the lower the frequency, the higher the impedance of the Miller caps, the lower the loop gain, hence...).
The intention here is that the Miller caps (C19 & C20, see pic below) are directly connected to the output of the TIS buffers, i.e. to the emitters of Q21 respectively Q22. Tying them somewhere in the middle of the OPS compensation network is not a good idea.
(literally: 'for the cat his cυnt')
In the presence of our queen, I wouldn't use those words. 😉
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BTW, does anybody know where to buy reasonably priced low inductive 5W SMT resistors between 0.2 and 0.3 ohm (preferable 0.22 ohm)?
Cheers,
E.
BTW, does anybody know where to buy reasonably priced low inductive 5W SMT resistors between 0.2 and 0.3 ohm (preferable 0.22 ohm)?
Cheers,
E.
nl.mouser.com? Just looked and they have a reasonable selection in your stated power and resistance range. I guess it depends what you mean by "reasonably priced"; I find these low-ohm power SMT resistors to be surprisingly expensive (i.e. I spend more on Re resistors than I do on output transistors!)
That makes Renesas laterals quite more competitive since you can
parralel them straight on , without any source resistors..
parralel them straight on , without any source resistors..
That was to be expected...
Never mind , laterals are friendly devices , the current is in proportion of Vgd ,
wich vary at a 1V/A/Device rate or so (Gm = 1S) , just take the sensing point before the gate resistor.😉
Never mind , laterals are friendly devices , the current is in proportion of Vgd ,
wich vary at a 1V/A/Device rate or so (Gm = 1S) , just take the sensing point before the gate resistor.😉
Hello Edmond,
I did test These and are very promising, 🙂
BTW, did You found the solution with the PCB soft already?
Cheers
How about 5 smd ONE ohm ONE watt resistors in parallel of the 1812 smd type or larger.
Edmond, is this for protection or are you needing to sense the current for feedback?
Sure, but I've already bought a bunch of verticals.
If I had accurate models of laterals, maybe I would have go for laterals.
Hi Smiley,
That were precisely the resistors that I was looking at, but at Farnell they are rather expensive: 3 euro incl. VAT.
Buerklin asks 2 euro, incl. VAT and shipment. That's more reasonable (though still a bit expensive).
Thanks for the hint!
>did You found the solution with the PCB soft already?
At the moment I'm playing with FreePCB and with the translation (export) from MicroCap to this PCB software.
It took me awhile to figure out how to do that. The trouble was how to specify a package of a capacitor and a resistor in MicroCap. The weird thing is that if you haven't first defined a (dummy) spice model for these components, exporting to PCB doesn't work, that is, the package definition is ignored.
Another concern is back-annotation, which is simply not possible.
Cheers,
E.
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That was my first solution. 😉 Since using 5 smd's is also a bit expensive and not the most elegant solution, I'm also looking for a single resistor alternative.
Hi Andrew,
Both. Actually, the purpose is threefold:
- Equalizing Id (ballast resistor)
- Protection (current limiting)
- Auto bias (current sensing)
Cheers,
E.
Hello Edmond,
Unless you use a special metal film types (ones that fail open circuit) they can burn your PCB when they fail. MOX types fail open and have low inductance also that's why I use them.
Are you using Pads for your PCB layout software.
Regards
Arthur
Hi Arthur,
Why should they fail as they are already protected by an over-current limiter?
>Are you using Pads
Yes and no: I'm using FreePCB, that conforms to the PADS net-list format.
Cheers,
E.
Why should they fail as they are already protected by an over-current limiter?
>Are you using Pads
Yes and no: I'm using FreePCB, that conforms to the PADS net-list format.
Cheers,
E.
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