I guess if you are playing Doom it is a good thing!
Seriously though, if this is the actual statement made by a reviewer, this is an insult. Perhaps something was lost in translation.
"This must be what heaven is like." Implies that your speakers transport you to a good place. (the generally held view being that heaven is a perfect place)
"This must be what hell is like." Implies that listening to your speakers transports you to a place of eternal torment. (again the generally held view of hell)
Seriously though, if this is the actual statement made by a reviewer, this is an insult. Perhaps something was lost in translation.
"This must be what heaven is like." Implies that your speakers transport you to a good place. (the generally held view being that heaven is a perfect place)
"This must be what hell is like." Implies that listening to your speakers transports you to a place of eternal torment. (again the generally held view of hell)
I cannot see the point of that quote either.
Taken out of context it really is confusing for visitors.
It may be interpreted as a private joke, which probably is a great way to alienate a future customer.
And that was not your intent, was it?
Taken out of context it really is confusing for visitors.
It may be interpreted as a private joke, which probably is a great way to alienate a future customer.
And that was not your intent, was it?
Nobody outside this or other speakers forums gives a damm about whether you call it scoolbook or textbook design, or not...ordinary people dont know what it is...its insider designers slang, both of them and only implying something not specified
I would leave it out completely...or at least be more specific about explaining it...or documenting
I would leave it out completely...or at least be more specific about explaining it...or documenting
tinitus said:
Same goes for Helmholtz resonator and some of the other stuff on there. If they'd called it a Helmholtz buzzer, its the same as the school book thing. Doesn't matter whether people understand it or not but you at least look professional since the English on the site is correct.
gtforme00 said:
The quote comes from this blog-post: http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/he2007/051207sjofn/
I guess it refers to the music. Strange quote to... eh... quote. It has been pointed out on other forums that someone should take a real look at the language on their (temporary) homepage. I hope the real one will be launched _very_ soon.
Better quotes, and listening impressions, can be found here:
http://www.sonicflare.com/archives/rmaf-07-sjofn-guru-av-speaker-system.php
http://www.avguide.com/news/2007/10/18/rocky-mt-2007-harley-calls-sjofn-biggest-bargain/
http://www.soundstageav.com/onhometheater.html
In this thread you can see alot of Ingvar's other ("Ino Audio") speakers, from the cheapest to the ones that cost like one of the bigger BMWs: http://www.faktiskt.se/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=8994&list=full
If the Guru/Sjöfn-project turns out sucessfully (and, my God!, I hope it does!) there might be some hints in that thread of what to expect in the future from Guru. I've listened to some of those larger systems, and there is really no words to describe it.
I know its called textbook in english when used in a wider sense...but I think especially in the case of speaker design it has a more complicated meaning that demands fore more insight to fully understand what is really meant by it
So "textbook" approaches skilled people with insight...but gives them nothing to eat
And it implies something that I dont hope exists in any commercial designs now a days
So "textbook" approaches skilled people with insight...but gives them nothing to eat
And it implies something that I dont hope exists in any commercial designs now a days
tinitus said:
However sad this might sound its probably quite true:
Most people buying speakers don't care about an explanation of exactly how they work, in this case an ambiguous buzzword is probably more appealing and allows focus on being interested rather than potentially confused. After that they'll go take a look for reviews or seek out a dealer for further confirmation of performance. Despite the fact that tech heads are legion on here, we're absolutely small fry compared to the average audio consuming 'everyman'.
Take someone critically assessing(or trying to) the design such as us and, yes, we like everything laid out, justified and proved. The webpage would undoubtedly look more appealing to us and give us more respect for that manufacturer but its a very strong possibility that we never actually intended to go out and buy those speakers regardless of the information and the way its presented.
Guru is just marketing to its intended audience rather than trying to impress its peers, DIY enthusiasts or the technically inclined.
Rather than blather on about these little beasties from ignorance, or bash the personality or english as a second language issues of the designer, have any of you actually heard these speakers?
I wonder if I might live to regret saying so, but I have heard the QM10's.
I haven't "lived" with these or listened to them in my own room or compared them to a reference so my comments should be taken with a grain of salt. For what it is worth, on initial impression they sound good, OK, a little dark, IMO, like too much baffle step correction, a wide bass hump, or a shelved down treble. These things do really have surprising bass - especially considering the 4" woofer. Honestly, probably too much bass for my preference. These are said to need boundary loading, but I am left wondering how they would sound a little further from the rear wall.
Several other people said these open up if listened to more near field (front center at a club session) but I did not listen to them this way.
Construction, these boxes are very lightweight with a spartan, dark-textured finish. The overall aesthetic and fit and finish is good - no visible particle board edges, etc... - but certainly unassuming. The tweeter looks like a $4 MCM electronics mylar item, but isn't spitty or nasty. The woofer is said to be from Tymphany.
My preliminary opinion: not worth 1/4 the price, but there are worse buys out there for $1700/pr, or whatever they are going for.... the advertised price seems to change (upward) almost daily.
I wonder if I might live to regret saying so, but I have heard the QM10's.
I haven't "lived" with these or listened to them in my own room or compared them to a reference so my comments should be taken with a grain of salt. For what it is worth, on initial impression they sound good, OK, a little dark, IMO, like too much baffle step correction, a wide bass hump, or a shelved down treble. These things do really have surprising bass - especially considering the 4" woofer. Honestly, probably too much bass for my preference. These are said to need boundary loading, but I am left wondering how they would sound a little further from the rear wall.
Several other people said these open up if listened to more near field (front center at a club session) but I did not listen to them this way.
Construction, these boxes are very lightweight with a spartan, dark-textured finish. The overall aesthetic and fit and finish is good - no visible particle board edges, etc... - but certainly unassuming. The tweeter looks like a $4 MCM electronics mylar item, but isn't spitty or nasty. The woofer is said to be from Tymphany.
My preliminary opinion: not worth 1/4 the price, but there are worse buys out there for $1700/pr, or whatever they are going for.... the advertised price seems to change (upward) almost daily.
I listened to them, too. For quite awhile at RMAF. I can't say that I found them to be dark - I thought that the overall tonal balance was excellent. I was more impressed with their clarity and low distortion than I was with the bass, but that may have been due to the type of music I brought to listen to, mostly solo piano and a close-miked cello cd. One of the reasons I stayed in that room for as long as I did was that they allowed me to play the music I wanted to hear, not to mention it wasn't easy to get up and leave. I can't say that about most of the other rooms at the show.
John
John
sdclc126 said:
Of course that is true... it is pretty much what i said, but how do you tell what the distortion of a driver is?
dave
Andy Graddon said:
I know Shin knows something about speaker design, but AJinFL seems to specialize in nasty sarcasm and has not demonstarted any real knowledge of speaker design.
dave
Guruproaudio said:
On a web site supporting a speaker, i would interpret this to be similar to an eMail ny partner got from someone with a pair of our loudspeakers...
"Chris, i hate you. I can't listen to my other speakers anymore"
dave
planet10 said:
Coming from you I take that as a great compliment. I'll admit to having no real knowledge about putting makeup on TV speakers or how the sell them.
cheers,
AJ
p.s. Should I pitch your ad here for you in this thread so it seems less blatant?
planet10 said:
As I know pretty much of the speakers without actually having heard any of them by myself, but relying on other pretty much convincing statements, my interpretation is as follows on the "What hell is gonna be"- issue.
“This must be what hell is like”
Fred Mathegian, ultimateavmag.com"
My interpretation:
Competition be aware! Here comes hell-fire missils aiming to take you all out!"
theonlyone
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quote:
Originally posted by Guruproaudio
It's just a funny quote... Interpret is as you like. "
"On a web site supporting a speaker, i would interpret this to be similar to an eMail ny partner got from someone with a pair of our loudspeakers...
Chris, i hate you. I can't listen to my other speakers anymore"
dave"
Right on spot!😎
quote:
Originally posted by Guruproaudio
It's just a funny quote... Interpret is as you like. "
"On a web site supporting a speaker, i would interpret this to be similar to an eMail ny partner got from someone with a pair of our loudspeakers...
Chris, i hate you. I can't listen to my other speakers anymore"
dave"
Right on spot!😎
They should be allowed to comment on their own gear, such as in this thread, but it is important that they flag their business interest.
MaVo said:
Are you talking about both speakers or the small QM10?
Off course physics dictates what is possible but I doubt there are many (if any at all) such small speakers with that level of performance. And you know what.. the QM10 is not meant to be a discoteque speaker system.. Also the QM10 has a bigger box than many other smallish speakers with a 4-5" unit... guess what.. it's because it gives less distortion hence engineered for sound quality. 😉
About the floorstander it has really nice performnance as well and naturally it betters the small brother due to laws of physics. It measures well..
/Peter
AJinFLA said:
AJ I think you need to lighten up a little. Everything is not quite as serious or depressing as you make out.
ShinOBIWAN said:
The speaker can reproduce a pulse.. in more than one direction. How many other speakers can do that?
The roundover you suggest.. you don't think it would be there if it would produce a better result? It would direct energy towards the listener and casue the problems you are talking about.
I have listened to several of the speakers from this designer. I have also seen some measurements. Reading the "expert comments" on this forum (which I have been on since 2002) makes me laugh!
Educate yourself guys before going on like you do.
/Peter
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