Google the name, it's not all Sabatier that shines.
(I cherish my very old Sabatier too, first pro kitchen knife I bought)
Rather strange track, at least the YouTube version is: very noisy and plenty of accidental noises at the beginning, plus a number of clear defects at times - was it a live recording or trying to sound like one? They were giving her voice the "listening through a club PA" sound for effect I guess, it didn't work on my PC monitors at all - the latter is good enough to pick differences when I'm listening for such things, but certainly doesn't produce "special" sound: a cluttered or marginal recording will not be pleasant ...
Just reminded of this from another thread, I've been listening to Yello for 25 years or so, and this material is excellent, especially to see if a system can go "big" in sound, create a house filling swirl of texture while remaining totally clean. As a halfway house, a foot in both worlds, probably can't go past Yello & Shirley Bassey - The Rhythm Divine (The Single) - YouTube. This is sound that has to be able to go enormous, seem to fill the universe ...
It has? I missed that. Where?
That is hotly disputed by the Planists. See the rails disappearing into the distance. The reason isn't curvature, it's perspective.
Having been out on the water and on the Bedford level canal, I can tell you for sure that it isn't easy to verify this stuff. The air gets in the way, big time. Things at a distance disappear into the haze as well as the horizon. Seeing something like a jet 7 miles up isn't hard, the air gets much thinner as you go up. Seeing something at sea level 5 miles away is much, much harder - even in the best of conditions. The air down that low really gets in the way.
I know, I've tried many times. Even have video of a ferry boat approaching from over 5 miles away.
I don't get this curvature of the earth discussion at all ... I've been, as a by the way thing, places overlooking the sea where it's quite apparent that there is a curvature, I can 'see' it - end of story ... 😕
Really? You see the curve of the horizon? No one I've ever shown the horizon on the water has ever seen a curve. All claim to see a straight line. It's supposed to be common knowledge that you need to be at an altitude of at least 70,000 feet to begin to see the curve. As I've never been there, I've not seen it.
Are you sure you don't see what you expect to see? (at sea)
Are you sure you don't see what you expect to see? (at sea)
I didn't say it can be seen everywhere, at any time, under all weather circumstances.
Example picture, yacht leaving Willemstad, Curaçao.
(140' aluminum Vitters, built overhere, Spanish owner, currently in the US for an electronics refit by a Dutch company, flying squad job)
At that location, the wind coming in from the East is so wet, that it's a sensation of sticking your head in a clothes dryer.
The oil tanker on the image is coming in from the Maracaibo lake in Venezuela.
Apparently, those ships just suddenly appear from nowhere, but it's actually not even a few miles.
In your line of reasoning, I can go to a cow field overhere, and wait till a camel pops up : Zim-Za-La-Bim.
For seeing curvature of the ocean horizon, requirements are ; real calm weather (aka next to zero windspeed), Zilch heave (Caribbean does 3 to 4 feet), very clear day, no fog, and a cold climate. E.g. near Greenland, Iceland. Such conditions are rare.
For the mast thing, your also appear to miss that for a ship heading due West or East, located far away from the equator, angle increment is steeper.
=> Cut the top of an orange : smaller circle, goes faster round the bend.
In calm, clear weather, the mast will sooner dissapear than the air playing tricks on visibility.
(e.g. at the 60th parallel, North Sea, it goes twice as fast as on the equator. Thing will say bye bye at 1.5 miles distance)
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It could have been an illusion of course -- I seem to remember being on a comparatively high headland, 100's of feet up, which protruded well out from the main body of land; and you could sweep your eyes around in a 180 deg. arc with only the sea in front of you as you went - and I thought at the time, yes, not dramatic but definitely you could detect the falling away of the horizon as you did so ...
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If you stand on some of the beaches ( here there is not much sand and hardly any construction on the sand or close by ) you can see that the horizon , where the sky meets the sea, is curved . It isn't 'very' curved but it isn't a straight line ! You need a very clear sky too to be able to see the junction of the sky and sea.
There is no doubt about it at all.
Thank you for the info Rick
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Not hard to see at all, its hard to see how it cannot.
Funny enough, in all walks of life I can think of, it is always the pressure, the competition, the high stakes, that make people perform their best.
Ever see a runner break his personal record running all alone?
Except, apparently, at trying to hear a difference. Funny indeed.
jan
The pressure part in trying to hear a difference is when they panic after realizing that there is NO difference and want to hear one so badly.😉
one other phenomenon you'll have to acknowledge is that if the owner is dissatisfied with the sound his system produces, there is an expectation that whatever tweak fixes exactly that.
That may be generally true, but perhaps person-dependent. For me, I like to listen alone when I'm doing an ears-only test. You'll remember the MP3 encoding test I did at your place, where I just went off into a corner while everyone else socialized... Same with the Hawksford phase stuff, I did that when the house was empty and I had no interruptions or background noise. Just to mention two recent ears-only tests where differences were certainly heard.
This was the main reason I couldn't get to Pano's infamous mud test, I just couldn't get the wife and kid out of the house to leave me alone!😀
Faux Pas.
Farmer John says :
- have a Sick Duck go through the revolving door of a hospital, and it will instantly transform to Fumb Duck.
- a flock of Duck in a burning building or on a sinking ship will behave as Fried Duck, ref : Duck Inferno, Duck Poseidon.
- a competitive Duck in a casino is a Sitting Duck.
(Prof. Jan in 't Veld/Prof. Pierre Malotaux, Delft school of systems engineering : Optimum Performance)
And, it can be done with real dynamics too - I took this, "Peter Gabriel - Lay your hands on me" ( 1982) ( pon tu mano sobre mi ). - YouTube, around in the old days to demo gear, but it always was so disasterous I only tried it a couple of times ...
This, on a system that can do it properly, full volume, takes you to another place ...
Odd then it's not used in medical testing. "You're TOO WEAK to heal. Quit pretending you're better, pencil neck.""
I know that song very well, as a matter of fact Peter Gabriel IV is one of my all-time favorites, the kind of music I can always return to and never get bored.
in fact, "IV" is listed on Bob Katz's website as one positive example for headroom and dymanic range, the remastered version being much worse.
on my current system (although it's kind of underpowered) it's pretty decent sounding.
if you want dynamics that will scare you, get the remixed (as in not remastered) hi-res version of King Crimson's Lark's Tongues in Aspic. on a good system it'll scare your pants off.
in fact, "IV" is listed on Bob Katz's website as one positive example for headroom and dymanic range, the remastered version being much worse.
on my current system (although it's kind of underpowered) it's pretty decent sounding.
if you want dynamics that will scare you, get the remixed (as in not remastered) hi-res version of King Crimson's Lark's Tongues in Aspic. on a good system it'll scare your pants off.
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