Well, it appears that one is doomed in the audio world ... unless one can resoundingly proclaim, "I see nothing, nothiing!!" everything you hear is tainted ...
I can see a solid business in taking prospective audio buyers to shops and shows, in cars with blacked out windows - so they don't know which shop they've gone to - with customised, total sensory deprivation head hoodies, with tiny slits just sufficient to the ear lobes to poke out. Sheparded around on special wheelchairs because they may pick up clues from the texture of the flooring underfoot, they can rest easy knowing that they will choose on sound alone - along with the misfortune of paying double, to cover the expense of the "guide dog" services ...
I mean, we can't have the poor buyers "fooled" by those malevolent other senses - anyone want to finance me in a start-up ... 😀
I can see a solid business in taking prospective audio buyers to shops and shows, in cars with blacked out windows - so they don't know which shop they've gone to - with customised, total sensory deprivation head hoodies, with tiny slits just sufficient to the ear lobes to poke out. Sheparded around on special wheelchairs because they may pick up clues from the texture of the flooring underfoot, they can rest easy knowing that they will choose on sound alone - along with the misfortune of paying double, to cover the expense of the "guide dog" services ...
I mean, we can't have the poor buyers "fooled" by those malevolent other senses - anyone want to finance me in a start-up ... 😀
Double doomed! If you hear a difference, prove it!! If you don't hear a difference, prove it!!
I'm going mad, I tell you!! Mad, mad, mad, maad, maaad, maaaad, ... (slow fade away to DBT inaudibility)
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remember that we are endowed with senses that are continuously processed by the brain, like it or not, there is no escaping that for as long as we are alive...
don't despair, for as long as you are aware of your senses, you should be fine...
the only ones doomed in the audio world are those that can not afford the cost of so called high end gears and cables and yet covet them...
don't despair, for as long as you are aware of your senses, you should be fine...
the only ones doomed in the audio world are those that can not afford the cost of so called high end gears and cables and yet covet them...
none of that is necessary, just dont make proclamations and expect them to apply to others.
Which is why I'm interested in how perceptive people are - Pano and others have given me reason to believe that at least a percentage can pick the difference between normal hifi and realistic sound. If even only a small percentage can do it, or are interested in such, then it's worth persisting ... 😉
So, without any other evidence than some completely random and unscientific exercise in absurdity, you have concluded that there is a problem with a testing technique? This is where you might want to give professional guidance to audio engineers; you don't need a degree, or testing equipment, or even a design, some randomly thrown together bits and pieces that someone has said (without any substantiation) sounds good will work. There, all of our audio problems are solved.
I didn't realise that it was going to be so easy. 🙂
but you havent proved anything, you have only made claims. you regularly make assertions that are nonsensical and fly in the face of actual engineering or verifiable knowledge, showing blatant misunderstanding of the factors at play and expect your powers of perception to trump that. you try to belittle engineers, claiming higher powers and special knowledge; or just straight up magic.
all with the fantastic powers of youtube and an aldi television set … however its a modified set… so...
but then, you expect to gain something useful out of simulation, to the point i've seen you rely on it for observation. admittedly the sims/models probably have some of your own brand of reality injected into them.
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I don't know about Aldi TVs but their knives are the best I have used. For $8, I have a knife that sharpens easier and better, holds it edge longer, is more comfortable to use and does not develop rust marks, like my $150 super, you beaut German knife.
but no, all of the problems are endless, you forget RF intrusion, EMI and the mysteries of chaos and digital information transfer
some good stuff there, but its good value, rather than world-beating. but there is also an element of 'WTF?' brands and flavour profiles that never quite passed the blind testing.
i'll take my shun classic any day
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I don't believe I've been attempting to 'prove' something, rather commenting on personal experience, and noting the commonality with some other people's experience. My hypothesis/claim is that a sufficient, high quality of playback creates a significantly higher level of subjectively experienced sound, with the properties I've mentioned a number of times. If I wished to 'prove' that, I would create a system that could consistently perform at that level, blindfold a set of listeners, move them to various places in the listening area, and get them to point to where they perceived the sound to be coming from, etc ...
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Oh dear, even my sim's are tainted! Though, I tend to be fairly careful there ... I sim it as accurately as I believe it needs to be, until I'm satisfied with the results - then I build the device. Strangely enough, this works - I switch it on, and I get good results ... I don't start fiddling with it, trying all the bits that happen to be lying around, to see what happens ...
Strangely enough, I've come to this view because of an enormous flood of anecdotal commentary, from people interested in audio who have undergone this procedure to assess audio equipment, who from then on don't rigidly insist on DBT to always assess ...
I'm reminded here of babies, and bathwater ... 🙂
Actually, it's not. That's the point ... what it demonstrates, for me, is that warm-up and interference effects are a major part of what hampers the performance of lower cost electronics.
Yes, and that is why anecdotal "evidence" is specifically excluded from inclusion in double-blind, placebo-controlled medical testing of drugs, because it is SO unreliable. I'm glad our medicines are not tested in way you want to with audio.
They're superb. After years of using Henckels and Wusthoff, this rocked my world.
Don't allow yourself to get trolled.
I don't agree with this. I would say that some people think they prefer some distortion, or rather some people think they prefer valve amplifiers, which has the same result. We have to be careful to separate non-sonic choices from the sonic ones. The equipment people have in their systems does not necessarily reflect their sonic preferences, but maybe their entire 'philosophy' on life e.g. nostalgia, a fear of 'progress', distrust of complexity, a need to be different etc.
I certainly have this syndrome myself: I will not have a valve amplifier in my system no matter how it looks or supposedly sounds - it offends my 'philisophy' and my sense of what is technically best. I may preach the gospel of DSP active speakers, but inwardly I would be very disappointed if everyone got them!
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