My overwhelming impression is that it's a knowing fraud.
Yes, I'm sure it is. Same as all the magic water etc you can find for sale...
My overwhelming impression is that it's a knowing fraud.
Well that's kinda cynical...They had to reconfigure and rewrite the laws of physics to improve your speaker wire, and that's the thanks they get, sheesh!
Mike
Everyone has their embarrassing habits, and mine is reading up on snake oil, pseudoscience, and even... conspiracy theories. I'm so glad that diyaudio has a thread like this, I think all technical forums should have one.
Of all the marketing waffle I've seen, the audio industry seems to have more than it's fair share.. from throwing words like 'quantum' into everything, to 'refining the crystalline structure of copper to enable smoother mid-range and more balanced bass'.
But its not just the real wacky 'clearly making things up to make money', there's also some who genuinely believe such things, and then there's those who know just enough to be dangerous. Whilst its not snake oil, I do see plenty of mis-information about digital power, class D amps, DAC's etc.. so I guess the subjectivity of 'audio' means many claims can be made without being 'disproved'.
Like Dr Nick from the Simpsons.. 'you can eat anything you like!' - 'and I'll lose weight?' - 'you might... its a free country!'
Of all the marketing waffle I've seen, the audio industry seems to have more than it's fair share.. from throwing words like 'quantum' into everything, to 'refining the crystalline structure of copper to enable smoother mid-range and more balanced bass'.
But its not just the real wacky 'clearly making things up to make money', there's also some who genuinely believe such things, and then there's those who know just enough to be dangerous. Whilst its not snake oil, I do see plenty of mis-information about digital power, class D amps, DAC's etc.. so I guess the subjectivity of 'audio' means many claims can be made without being 'disproved'.
Like Dr Nick from the Simpsons.. 'you can eat anything you like!' - 'and I'll lose weight?' - 'you might... its a free country!'
+2Big mistake. Everyone knows you need quantum magnets in order to improve audio. Even these stop working if there is any ferromagnetic material in the room.
Yes, I'm sure it is. Same as all the magic water etc you can find for sale...
Is that what they heal injured soccer players with, instantly?
My overwhelming impression is that it's a knowing fraud.
I think I have to agree, the more I look the more cynical I become...
Its seems also that the belief is being promoted that only mega buck systems can really resolve detail, anything less is inferior....
I think I have to agree, the more I look the more cynical I become...
Its seems also that the belief is being promoted that only mega buck systems can really resolve detail, anything less is inferior....
You see that a lot in fashion audio (and other areas) -- if you don't charge enough, people won't believe the deception....
You see that a lot in fashion audio (and other areas) -- if you don't charge enough, people won't believe the deception....
I blame Ken Kessler. About 15 years ago he started telling everyone that if high end didn't go the way of other 'lifestyle' brands then it would die. Think Rolex, Aston Martin etc. The industry listened and gleefully accepted. Add in the dealer margins on bling wire and the rest is history.
Ah well, I was never their target market. Only things I bought new were my cartridge and the bluray player.
I blame Ken Kessler.
I blame K..K..Ken* for everything.
(* © Otto, A Fish Called Wanda)
I blame K..K..Ken* for everything.
(* © Otto, A Fish Called Wanda)
Great movie...
Yes, shame about HFN... used to be good yonks ago.
Begging the question...were they sponge-worthy?You need the magic sponge for an instant cure!
John
Yes. At times it wasn't clear whether he was talking about audio electronics or motorcycle maintenance.billshurv said:About the same time someone dropped Ben Duncan an acid tab (or so it seemed from his writings).
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