The question is how are you getting that much power out of EL84?
I have a modifed Baby Huey. Class A triode. 3.2 w at clipping. Sounds fantastic.
DF (a silly number) of 9 means 8/Rout = 9 > Rout is 8/9Ω? About the same as an ACA.
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I have a modifed Baby Huey. Class A triode. 3.2 w at clipping. Sounds fantastic.
DF (a silly number) of 9 means 8/Rout = 9 > Rout is 8/9Ω? About the same as an ACA.
dave
My Baby Huey with 23% UL has around 22-25W and a DF around 2 to 3. No more than that.
The new design I was talking about is composed by two different circuits born for SE and simplified to be used in UL PP. I will share with you the design through email.
The new design I was talking about is composed by two different circuits born for SE and simplified to be used in UL PP. I will share with you the design through email.
A apir of EL84 running in Pentode or UL typically max out at about 17-18w. Still not clear how you are squeezing that muchpower out?
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https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/unset-is-coming.340856/
Imagine it PP but UL to make it simpler.
Imagine it PP but UL to make it simpler.
Still doesn’t explain how you are getting that much power. Typical PP UL is about 15w, Dyana pushed that to 17.5w.
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By driving the tube through the cathode with a source follower and a local feedback a-g1 and a-g2, you can proportionally increase B+ staying within tube specifications and triodizing its curves (same applies for fets). Then you get more power and lower Zout. I always use UL in the 20-25% range, so the curve g1=0 is still very pentodeish, so the maximum power is high.
Thanks for the heads up. It is XL. Maybe I pulled info from the wrong thread, or maybe I misremembered. I'll redo it tomorrow.Is this not XL? The amount of damping you are using is that specified for FH3. FHXL uses about 2x as much.
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I've wondered if the room is too big. It's probably 32 feet squarish with a ten foot suspended ceiling and the real ceiling is another 4-6 feet above that. This isn't their long term home, but it's a good place to break them in, and they sound way better than my Smartboard speake
Yeah, it's not an ideal situation. But it's not their final home. I figured in my classroom, I could leave them going nights and weekends and get more break-in. The source itself is fine - FLAC files through a Dragonfly Black. The amp is clean but weak. As I recall it's a Topping class T with a beefed up power supply. I keep it at school because it's cheap, tough, and simple. Once they're done and painted, they'll be in a much smaller living room with a much better amp.See post #1725 for my current damping. As far as the amp, one thing that these speakers WILL do is reveal any weakness in your system. I can now hear a difference in sound as the result of upsampling, something that never seemed to have any effect with any other speaker. Of course the DAC itself has a lot to do with that.
It sort of sounds like you may be driving them with some underwhelming equipment/sources. I have found that I can plainly hear if Spotify is streaming at low or high quality, if a low quality mp3 or flac is playing, and I would describe the result similarly to what you are describing. Veiled, muddy, blurred.
Indeed I haven't found indications on where a FHXL is suggested, where a Silbury is, etc...I've wondered if the room is too big.
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As others have pointed out, you'll get no where close to final results until your cabinets are properly sealed. There is no way sealing can be achieved with clamps. If you fill the "rear" part of the horn (pointy part) with stuffing prior to sealing the cabinets, you'll be able to adjust the amount of stuffing in the "front" part of the horn through the driver hole. My FHXLs were quite capable of filling a 30'x14' room with sound. Having said that, these are clearly not "head banging" speakers - everything has design goals and limits.
Thanks! Great to know a pair of FHXL can fill properly a 10x5 meters room, as I planned to use them in a smaller room, whilst the living room is around 15x4m and I will have two Silbury there.
They can if you add foam srtip yo seal it. But that makes a bit of a mess when you peel it off and prep for glue.There is no way sealing can be achieved with clamps.
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Fair enough, Dave. I was considering this situation where no other materials were added, simply a clamped set of boards.
Sorry for the slow reply. I'm always amazed how busy the end of the school year gets. I doubled the stuffing and it made a huge difference.
Re test listening with clamped panels; it’s long been my intuition that aside from the issue of
uncertainty of sealing, that the extra mass and tension would affect the enclosure’s resonance and perhaps even effective tuning sufficiently to be misleading.
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uncertainty of sealing, that the extra mass and tension would affect the enclosure’s resonance and perhaps even effective tuning sufficiently to be misleading.
comments from the peanut gallery welcomed
Baby Huey, or El Cheapo?The question is how are you getting that much power out of EL84?
I have a modifed Baby Huey. Class A triode. 3.2 w at clipping. Sounds fantastic.
DF (a silly number) of 9 means 8/Rout = 9 > Rout is 8/9Ω? About the same as an ACA.
dave
I have guitars that definitely sound different based on humidity. I have one client who refuses to humidify his guitar because it sounds sooo good when the top is under so much tension it's about to split in two. I keep fixing it for him, but he won't let me do it right. It's hard to imagine the situation is the same with 3/4" BB ply though.Re test listening with clamped panels; it’s long been my intuition that aside from the issue of
uncertainty of sealing, that the extra mass and tension would affect the enclosure’s resonance and perhaps even effective tuning sufficiently to be misleading.
comments from the peanut gallery welcomed
Sight drift here but has anyone tried any of the 7 series ma drivers in the xl or would it be a no go and back to frugel3
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