I find the work of Viktor Schauberger interesting.
http://lightnet.co.uk/frontier/viktor.htm
His research was bough by a large American company and buried. It could be reasonably argued that they failed to grasp the technicalities of his ideas because of his lack of formal scientific training, and hence his inability to describe his work in standard technical jargon.
He demonstrated a self perpetuating "flying Saucer".
Shoog
http://lightnet.co.uk/frontier/viktor.htm
His research was bough by a large American company and buried. It could be reasonably argued that they failed to grasp the technicalities of his ideas because of his lack of formal scientific training, and hence his inability to describe his work in standard technical jargon.
He demonstrated a self perpetuating "flying Saucer".
Shoog
Are you claiming that all the result he achieved are fabrications, or are you just having a knee jerk reaction.
I think his experiements in wood transportation are difficult to dismiss.
Shoog
Shoog said:
But easy to explain. Water has it's maximum density at about 4 degrees C, so waiting 'till the early hours of the morning means the water will be at it's coolest, and the wood will be more buoyant.
edit: Oh and the full moon makes it easier to see what you're doing, so jams are less troublesome...
He developed the technicque further by building very small bore flumes which were able to consistently move large quantities of wood from a felling operation. He knew more than just the 4 degrees C bit.
Out of a sense of balance I direct you to another reference
www.forteantimes.com/articles/175_naziufo2.shtml
There may be elements of BS, but no-one does the argument favours by not been prepared to extract the elements of truth.
Shoog
Out of a sense of balance I direct you to another reference
www.forteantimes.com/articles/175_naziufo2.shtml
There may be elements of BS, but no-one does the argument favours by not been prepared to extract the elements of truth.
Shoog
Shoog said:
I'm claiming that where the article discusses physical phenomena (and I do have some small knowledge of physics), it is gibberish and corresponds beautifully to Irving Langmuir's definitions of pathological science.
The guy still has a cult in Austria; I was harangued for hours by a vineyardist there who uses those theories (the wine was bloody awful, but I don't think that had to do with the crackpot methods).
The name slips me now, but you may have seen this on TV.
There is this dutch guy who makes these "machines" from pvc pipes etc. which appears to walk o the beach using wind power.
He has one model on display which weighs a few tonnes, yet he can move it around with ease by himself...
Now concidering normal friction models a wheeled based form of transport would in all likelyhood have needed much more energy to do the same job. I hope someone uses the knowledge someday to make something usefull out of it...
Even if it is someday proven that there is no free energy to be had, it still does not mean we should not do all we can to conserve energy.
I believe the only free enery we should needto learn to harnass is nature's energy. i.e. solar heat/energy (which is the source of nearly all energy deposits anyway), wind when its available, and wave energy (ocean). Using these have a daily replenishable source, and should add no output in the form of polutants and heat creation.
Now as these things are ficcle like the weather, we need to still keep some of the "traditional generators" but learn to use as much natural energy as possible, only supplying extra from the generators when there is a dip, kinda like capacitors.
There is this dutch guy who makes these "machines" from pvc pipes etc. which appears to walk o the beach using wind power.
He has one model on display which weighs a few tonnes, yet he can move it around with ease by himself...
Now concidering normal friction models a wheeled based form of transport would in all likelyhood have needed much more energy to do the same job. I hope someone uses the knowledge someday to make something usefull out of it...
Even if it is someday proven that there is no free energy to be had, it still does not mean we should not do all we can to conserve energy.
I believe the only free enery we should needto learn to harnass is nature's energy. i.e. solar heat/energy (which is the source of nearly all energy deposits anyway), wind when its available, and wave energy (ocean). Using these have a daily replenishable source, and should add no output in the form of polutants and heat creation.
Now as these things are ficcle like the weather, we need to still keep some of the "traditional generators" but learn to use as much natural energy as possible, only supplying extra from the generators when there is a dip, kinda like capacitors.
Using solar power in any great percentage might curb the global warming. This in turn, miight stop the seas from rising. This will jeopardize the land speculaters that are buying tomorrow's beach property today. These are the same idiots that pay 10K for speaker cables... think about it.
pinkmouse said:
All those things came to mind when I watched the video. As well, I watched it more than a few times..and then noted..with my western televisioned eyes, that are tuned to skip over 'cuts' in footage...that..there is a skip right at the point where he goes to stike the pendulum, after re-attaching the pump arm, near the end of the video. Could be as simple as a unprimed pump being subbed in..
However, the vertical vs horizontal orientation of the masses..in a gradient (oriented) gravitational field..that has quite pronounced polarization, as well. For example work on the vertical vs horizontal domain are NOT identical..and the inertial aspects, etc. All things are not identical. All due to the orientation of that field.
Shoog said:
I didn't know that viktor did one of those too. Interesting how completely separate people always come up with the same point of understanding about the 'inter-atom' aspects of fluid dynamics. That's about the 10th or so example I've run across that utilizes the very core aspect of gravitic function/creation.
Nordic said:
Nordic, here you have your video that you have been talking about, the Strand Loper
I needed to compressed it a bit to send it up the dial-up you know what I mean.
http://upload2.net/page/download/x7TnpCznRP1ANPP/Strand_Loper.wmv.html
Panomaniac,
Check out "Theo Jansen" on youtube for a start.
Here's a good analysis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GgOn66knqA&mode=related&search=
Check out "Theo Jansen" on youtube for a start.
Here's a good analysis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GgOn66knqA&mode=related&search=
Bluebeard - thanks so much for that! I watched all the vidoes on youtube and they led me to the home site.
http://www.strandbeest.com
I think I'll order the DVD. Those things are beautiful. I'd love to try to build one. Wonder if it's possible to find the "11 Magic Numbers" that give the proportions of the parts?
Super stuff, I love the way they move, very elegant.
http://www.strandbeest.com
I think I'll order the DVD. Those things are beautiful. I'd love to try to build one. Wonder if it's possible to find the "11 Magic Numbers" that give the proportions of the parts?
Super stuff, I love the way they move, very elegant.
panomaniac said:
Looks like Theo Jansen takes the idiomatic metaphor "reinventing the wheel" to a whole 'nother level.
psych&sound said:
Thre is no such thing as free energy., or over unity. There is merely the appearance of such, due to intelligence and ingenuity applied to phenomena, physics, and science.
We simply have to go back to Maxwell's original work, written by him, not Heaviside! Heavside's simplified rubbish that was injected into textbooks and references was meant for nothing more than simplistic levels of electrical motor design for motor design enigineers. It purposely ignored the added complexity and dismissed the extra energies as a heat loss, resistance, thermal, etc, to keep it simple for enegineers. At the time, the 1% or so of those energies 'wasted' or 'lost' was considered..acceptable, for simplicity's sake. For the design engineers.
But, some big problems emerge further down the road...for scientists, who would use such work in research.
The equations that were left, Heavside's 2 out of maxwell's original 20!, are complete rewritings and destructions of what Maxwell originally wrote, having nothing to do with Maxwell's work. The other 18 and then the full correct 20 equations in 20 unknowns are ciritical for understanding the tangental, propogational, temporal, field aspects, etc, and other aspects of electromagnetism and gravitational origin. Heaviside's equations are claimed to be Maxwell's in textbooks, which they emphatically are NOT.
So, when you look at Maxwell's work on electromagnetism, you actually aren't...at all. Not even remotely.
Maxwell's original work did survive, but sold privately, up until recently, for the average sum of $5kUS, IF, I repeat, IF you could find someone willing to sell you that very privelaged information. It is now more widely available, and apparently does makes perfectly logical allowance for all these fringe phenomena we encounter.
I personally found out about this situation surrounding Maxwell, back in 1985 or so, when I went looking for Einstien's published Unified Field Theory, and could not find it. A 'recalled' formula or work by one of the world's most pre-eminent theorticians..... would, under any known level of common sense....would be 100% commonly available, if you went looking for it. 30 years of labour on his part. Wrong or not, it has tremendous value, by any possible method of measurement or estimation. Yet...it is not available..at all.
Incredibly odd, to say the least. I found references to it in two books on the subject, books from the 60's and late 50's...that had not been found and had their pages cut out, as they did not reference their comments on the subject of Einstien's UFT in any way, in their indexes or any other write ups. The text on the subject was simply ..in the book, if you went looking for it. That was the only way I found out that Einstien's UFT was actually published. For a whole 9 weeks. Then every copy of that mathematical journal was tracked down...and pulled. The texts stated that the implications of the UFT, were world changing and world wreckingly huge. We need to get both Maxwell's and Einstien's work back into circulation.
Then we can get back to using the tiny extra 'bits' that amount to approximately 1% of the (Maxwell's) equation(s), but allow egress of atomic (nuclear) energies, and thus account for the huge numbers seen in terms of over unity. 100%, 300%, 1200%, 20k%, etc.
I also remembered this morning, that when you take 'brown's gas, as created by my personally owned generator, George's of eagle research, the numbers are off. George believes his produces the most monatomic Hydrgen and Oxygen out of all the designs out there. If you take the gasses produced and do your damnedest in any lab known to mankind, to analyse it..you come up with nothing but Oxygen and Hydrogen. 100% so.
HOWEVER during your analysis..you will find that there is an expansion, mass, etc.. level of +30%..that cannot be accounted for in any way. BUT, if you take the calculations for the added volume created if monatomic Oxygen and monatomic Hydrogen exist in the estimated levels...the volumetric, mass, etc numbers match...perfectly.
Tangentially off topic.. if you liked the mechanized pvc...
Check out the "big dog" mule on Google or YouTube.
Check out the "big dog" mule on Google or YouTube.
I was reading parts of this thread to my son this morning.
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
bluebeard said:
How sweet; you bought him a Jr. size Orgone energy deflection cap.
Orgone is known to stunt the growth of youngins'.
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