I_F, please remember our rules regarding religious discussion. I have removed your post.
Hmmmm. It is OK to say that science is religion, but not OK to take the converse position.
OK. Let me just say this. Science is based on measurement and observation of objective reality. If that is the same thing as religion to you, I guess there isn't anything anyone can say that can change your mind.
Live long and prosper!
I_F
OK. Let me just say this. Science is based on measurement and observation of objective reality. If that is the same thing as religion to you, I guess there isn't anything anyone can say that can change your mind.
Live long and prosper!
I_F
Well put Shoog.
The comment earlier about Acupuncture being placebo is like saying that western medicine is placebo. If it didn't work for someone, maybe they were poked in the wrong spot. How many "regular" doctors have mis-diagnosed someone's symptoms and/or precribed the wrong drug? Probably all of them, and likely more than once. Now Chiropractic, on the other hand, that's pure crockery. 😉
Max
The comment earlier about Acupuncture being placebo is like saying that western medicine is placebo. If it didn't work for someone, maybe they were poked in the wrong spot. How many "regular" doctors have mis-diagnosed someone's symptoms and/or precribed the wrong drug? Probably all of them, and likely more than once. Now Chiropractic, on the other hand, that's pure crockery. 😉
Max
Not the way you wrote it, sorry. But I'll help you out: science is the religion that works, that delivers tangible results. Even a woo-woo wants the designer of the plane they fly in to be fully versed in that narrow, restrictive, hard-to-understand, cold scientific approach.
This monatomic gold, philosopher's stone stuff has some remarkable properties.
1) It's a room temperature superconductor.
2) It can weigh less then nothing. So has antigravity force- and can even confer those to the dish it’s in.
3) It can jump form this dimension to another in a flash and back again - and be in two places at once.
4) Can turn DNA into a super conductor
5) Stores life energy
Now you guys know I like you and enjoy hanging out on diyAudio - but if I had a ready supply of monatomic gold, you would no longer know me as "Panomaniac".
You would be addressing me as "Your Majesty Cosmic Overlord of the Universe and Master of Time, Space and Gravity." (Or maybe as Dr. Who.)
Time and Space are mine, all mine, I tell you!!!!
1) It's a room temperature superconductor.
2) It can weigh less then nothing. So has antigravity force- and can even confer those to the dish it’s in.
3) It can jump form this dimension to another in a flash and back again - and be in two places at once.
4) Can turn DNA into a super conductor
5) Stores life energy
Now you guys know I like you and enjoy hanging out on diyAudio - but if I had a ready supply of monatomic gold, you would no longer know me as "Panomaniac".
You would be addressing me as "Your Majesty Cosmic Overlord of the Universe and Master of Time, Space and Gravity." (Or maybe as Dr. Who.)
Time and Space are mine, all mine, I tell you!!!!
I just want to know how those darn Egyptians processed this stuff in their "workships" if it would constantly disappear and levitate. 😕
Egyptian workship boss: "Workship slave #1; how is your pile of monatomic gold coming along?"
Workship slave #1: "Ummm sir, it's disappeared on me again"
Egyptian workship boss: "Oh, what a convenient excuse. It seems like everyday now your pile just disappears on you. One more day like this and I'm going to make mfktz out of YOU!"
BTW, don't ask me how long it took to find the spelling for "mfktz".
Egyptian workship boss: "Workship slave #1; how is your pile of monatomic gold coming along?"
Workship slave #1: "Ummm sir, it's disappeared on me again"
Egyptian workship boss: "Oh, what a convenient excuse. It seems like everyday now your pile just disappears on you. One more day like this and I'm going to make mfktz out of YOU!"
BTW, don't ask me how long it took to find the spelling for "mfktz".
Anyone who believes the rotation of water as it drains is affected by the hemisphere must also believe in expensive speaker cables. If you wish to believe, that's fine but don't go spewing that sort of nonsense around. That's worse than a wives tale as most persons know that wives tales are just that.
It's like saying poinsettias are poisonous.
It's like saying poinsettias are poisonous.
SY said:
Science is most definitely NOT a religion.
I am surprised that this thread hasn't imploded on itself due to the mass of BS it contains. Please just shut it down before some alien race sees it and laughs us out of existence.
I_F
Please don't misquote me. If you actually read what I said you would understand that I said that science was a model of the Universe "just like the other models such as chrtistianity, etc." . Nowhere did I say that science was a religion, simply that it shared many of its characteristics.
Hope that straightens things out.
Shoog
Shoog said:
I was commenting on Sy's post, not your's.
You could argue that Star Trek is a model of the universe, too. I would counter argue that it is a poor model. Even though Star Trek shares many characteristics with reality, I don't find myself confusing it with reality because it doesn't share the RIGHT characteristics with reality. Science is an equally poor model of religion for the same reason.
My error has been forgetting the wide variation in characteristics that can exist within a species. For example, some people will have blue eyes and some brown. No amount of talk can change blue eyes to brown or brown eyes to blue. Eye color, like intelligence, is a characteristic of an individual and can't be changed by any amount of argument.
There will always be smart people and there will always be dopes among us. Unfortunately it is the dopes who seem to be the most prolific, guaranteeing a larger number of them and a much smaller number of the opposite kind. This is the misery of mankind's existence.
I_F
A dogma by any other names smells as sweet. Dogma is dogma, no matter religious, political, scientific or other. They'll all bite you.
Wonder were our buddy KBK is? He wanted us to watch the video to the last second and comment. Several of us have. Where is he?
(At least I understand his sig, now.)
Wonder were our buddy KBK is? He wanted us to watch the video to the last second and comment. Several of us have. Where is he?
(At least I understand his sig, now.)
I do not know why forever this religion as science discussion crops up - simply answer the question: is the hypothesis of the existence of god (or any other spiritual being you like to mention) falsifiable?
If so, religion is science. In any other case - never the twain shall meet.
Science that is dogmatic is not science - but is about tenure.
If so, religion is science. In any other case - never the twain shall meet.
Science that is dogmatic is not science - but is about tenure.
Cal Weldon said:
Well, I believe in the existence of expensive speaker cables. And I believe that people buy them. What I don't believe is that people ought to.
SY said:
But science is wrong, at least as often as religion.
Note that pilots pray. Often. 😛
I'm not taking the contray postion from 'belief' Sy, only for the sake of having the obvious and true couter arguement. The last thing I am, is religious.
I was kicked out of the church at the tender age of 8.5, for refusing to believe.
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