Thanks Dave, that makes sense, I agree with your statement, this time lol😀 A yoga mat can really work the Zen though, so I'll stick with that as my method to solve the problem
''Joking''
<--- Hmm, Chris doesn't seem to be in this group hug??, oh wait, he's in here!! Chris, quit grabbin my butt!!
Dave🙂
''Joking'' <--- Hmm, Chris doesn't seem to be in this group hug??, oh wait, he's in here!! Chris, quit grabbin my butt!! Dave🙂
DaveCan said:
Dave🙂
Dave, it took a few minutes to find the step stool - thanks for keeping one on hand for us hobbitts. 5'11'' - 5'6" = what's 5 inches among friends?
moderators, is that too much?
serenechaos said:
I thank you for the invite in post 377.. I just discovered this statement here and can't believe I missed it.. I also am wanting to leave all this alone, but had to respond that I never made that statement, anywhere, ever, in any thread, and not sure why I'm quoted as saying such?
The only thing I ever made anyway near to that statement, was if your going to bother going to the complexity of building the FH over a BIB, Id build the A126 instead, as it's about as hard to build as the FH compared to a BIB.. I've never mentioned the 103, ever, I don't think?
I think your referring to my closing sentence in post #1047 of the FH thread, but not quoting me properly..
Dave🙂
Chris I was just joking ,and was sure you would see it like that.. If it's to much or offending then I agree please remove it, sorry for that...
DaveCan said:
Hey man, don't take offense!
This thread is getting too crazy, too many people get their feelers bent over nothing...
It was a meant as a joke, I thought you (and everyone else) would take it as such, and had already been through on this thread: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=134474&pagenumber=1 post 11.
An actual "quote" would be: "anything in the Fostex camp"
That was just seen as a joke in the same spirit, a 103 in the 138 thread; the 103 and 138 being near opposite ends of the Fostex price list.
I'm not taking offense, but in my own defense ,making a quote of me that I never said could appear to people reading it that I'm stating something that isn't true...
The anything in the Fostex camp was a blanket statement that if you had five figure's to spend on a system I would think a person perhaps could find better speakers for their system than anything in the Fostex camp, and I still believe that statement..
Man where did I go wrong to bring about so much wrath and be singled out as the one who has gone astray in this crowd or something?... If I had said, ''hey full range heads, your drivers suck'' then I would be deserving of this headache, and rightly so... All I did was mention two things, and now I'm being quoted incorrectly and sneered on in a sense.. I wish I had just stuck to going along with the crowd or just being on the fence...
Anyhow, please everyone if your going to quote me or not agree with me that's fine, but please read what I said in context and quote me correctly, and better than that explain why I'm wrong with my statements or perceptions, thanks..
And Chris I'm sorry about the group hug thing, I though I was making a funny, as anytime I have dialog going on with Dave your never usually far behind, hence the butt grabbing statement.. Sorry if that wasn't funny, and to the mods if like with the J-low butt, it's a no-no!
Dave🙂
The anything in the Fostex camp was a blanket statement that if you had five figure's to spend on a system I would think a person perhaps could find better speakers for their system than anything in the Fostex camp, and I still believe that statement..
Man where did I go wrong to bring about so much wrath and be singled out as the one who has gone astray in this crowd or something?... If I had said, ''hey full range heads, your drivers suck'' then I would be deserving of this headache, and rightly so... All I did was mention two things, and now I'm being quoted incorrectly and sneered on in a sense.. I wish I had just stuck to going along with the crowd or just being on the fence...
Anyhow, please everyone if your going to quote me or not agree with me that's fine, but please read what I said in context and quote me correctly, and better than that explain why I'm wrong with my statements or perceptions, thanks..
And Chris I'm sorry about the group hug thing, I though I was making a funny, as anytime I have dialog going on with Dave your never usually far behind, hence the butt grabbing statement.. Sorry if that wasn't funny, and to the mods if like with the J-low butt, it's a no-no!
Dave🙂
Dave,
I do agree with you though...
Or at least what I think you thought...
As I said, the "quote" was tongue-in-cheek, not literal, and I thought everyone would realize it, knowing the context.
I apologize for any misunderstanding, and would remove it if I could.
So if you don't agree with anything I said,
I still don't understand going to the work of designing a supposed hi-end cabinet, for a low end driver; or putting a low end driver in a five figure system.
To each his own.
I do agree with you though...
Or at least what I think you thought...
As I said, the "quote" was tongue-in-cheek, not literal, and I thought everyone would realize it, knowing the context.
I apologize for any misunderstanding, and would remove it if I could.
So if you don't agree with anything I said,
I still don't understand going to the work of designing a supposed hi-end cabinet, for a low end driver; or putting a low end driver in a five figure system.
To each his own.
serenechaos said:
I agree with those thoughts 100% and the quote is ok, I was just sticking up for myself..
I have decided to impose a 30 day banishment on myself from posting in the FRD forum, and to show good faith, plus clear the air... As I'm sure that will be a relief to some, consider it my personal gift to you.. I also will not comment any further on this subject, in any other topic thread that I may find something to add in.. See you on Jan 9/10 2009, maybe?... Take care.. Dave🙂
Hey guys, would like to thank you for an entertaining reading. That's to say, all posts from the 12;th of December. This was better than the daily soap operas on the dummy box😀
DaveCan, do not forget the self inflicted flogging😉
Peter
DaveCan, do not forget the self inflicted flogging😉
Peter
mp9 said:
hey mp9,
i'm not sure what you're saying here...
Are you talking about cabinets to put 138 drivers in?
And use with the Lowthers?
Or instead of the 138s?
I haven't heard a audiovector.
I do remember Scott saying "I remember the Audiovector enclosure -not the best design I've seen. You can do much better than that."
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=101429 Post #8
I thought the Klipschorn was a good idea for it's time, but I really like the way straight horns sound (a lot) better than folded horns.
I was listening to the backloaded horn part of the austins today, just sitting on the floor, listening to what comes out the back.
I was thinking about using them for mid bass with the 138s.
I know I've already been jumped on for saying they are "colored," but you really notice it sitting down right by the mouth. Pretty fuzzy, out of focus sound...
I unplugged them & plugged in a pair of ML TLs I hadn't used in a couple years. Much clearer, you could make out words, instruments much better.
Not as "fast" or "dynamic," but not as colored either...
Ok, back to Klipsch, the mid and high horns have that "horn" coloration.
Yes, I still have some, plugged them back in & listen to them to compare today too...
s.c., it was pure sarcasm. you had a ref. for the TP1 which a writer with sound practices said "..corner horns..TP1..dont always sound as well as..expected. let stuff ricky lee jones tightly into a corner and see what she sounds like.." ... "and then theres the audiovector, dieters fovorite.." he goes on the about them being a difficult build and how dieter uses a klipshorn as a sub. which would be able to keep up with the speed of the lowthers (they say hendrix loved lowthers), i got dizzy reading it. didnt realize you wouldnt get the reference. anything but "simple" which is where the sarcasm comes in. something you said about the 138es-r being for a simple system but ending up alot of work. thats all. i actually apprecate all of your post + or - and am verry interested in your opinion. helps further the process and the art.
mp9,
ok, NOW i get it.
i hadn't read/heard the sound practices article.
man, the more i think about it, the funnier it is, too...
I've never heard TP1s, but what he said they "don't always sound as well as... expected." is how I'm feeling about BLHs right now...
That long, folded part sure loses detail in the Austin anyway...
Just sounds a lot different than the front if you move your head from mouth to driver.
But man, an audiovector, and a klipshorn...
That's simple, and would really integrate nice
🙄
Naw, I'm in the middle of building a five-way FLH system now, with a 304TL transmitter amp at first, then active crossed to seperate amps for each driver when I get it dialed in.
That's complicated enough for the moment.
That's why I wanted something really simple to contrast, even if it was frequency, and dynamics limited.
probably not audiovectors with klipshorns...
ok, NOW i get it.
i hadn't read/heard the sound practices article.
man, the more i think about it, the funnier it is, too...
I've never heard TP1s, but what he said they "don't always sound as well as... expected." is how I'm feeling about BLHs right now...
That long, folded part sure loses detail in the Austin anyway...
Just sounds a lot different than the front if you move your head from mouth to driver.
But man, an audiovector, and a klipshorn...
That's simple, and would really integrate nice
🙄 Naw, I'm in the middle of building a five-way FLH system now, with a 304TL transmitter amp at first, then active crossed to seperate amps for each driver when I get it dialed in.
That's complicated enough for the moment.
That's why I wanted something really simple to contrast, even if it was frequency, and dynamics limited.
probably not audiovectors with klipshorns...
serenechaos ,
Naw, I'm in the middle of building a five-way FLH system now
whow,
please show us the impuls response, when finished.
here two examples;
one my TUBA with JX92S
and Canton 3 way test winner 1994 reference top rated.
Naw, I'm in the middle of building a five-way FLH system now
whow,
please show us the impuls response, when finished.
here two examples;
one my TUBA with JX92S
and Canton 3 way test winner 1994 reference top rated.
That long, folded part sure loses detail in the Austin anyway...
Just sounds a lot different than the front if you move your head from mouth to driver.
Of course, you are in the fresnel zone of the frequencies provided by the mouth. The LF wave hasent developed yet. You should be at least 1/2( 1 or more is better) wavelength from a transducer (which the mouth is) to have a full centerline energy response.
ron
http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationReso...Ultrasonics/EquipmentTrans/radiatedfields.htm
Just sounds a lot different than the front if you move your head from mouth to driver.
Of course, you are in the fresnel zone of the frequencies provided by the mouth. The LF wave hasent developed yet. You should be at least 1/2( 1 or more is better) wavelength from a transducer (which the mouth is) to have a full centerline energy response.
ron
http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationReso...Ultrasonics/EquipmentTrans/radiatedfields.htm
that's why the sounds coming from the driver are clear, and the sounds coming from the mouth sound like they're echoing from down a tunnel?
because the mouth is a wavelength away from the driver?
the sounds from the driver don't sound that way if you stand that far back from them...
I've put then in the garage, I'm gonna have to set them in the man doorway, point the driver outside, and the mouth inside, and build something around the cabinet. Something of an IB arrangement, to hear both sides clearly, one at a time, not effecting the other side.
Then I can listen @ different distances, heights.
because the mouth is a wavelength away from the driver?
the sounds from the driver don't sound that way if you stand that far back from them...
I've put then in the garage, I'm gonna have to set them in the man doorway, point the driver outside, and the mouth inside, and build something around the cabinet. Something of an IB arrangement, to hear both sides clearly, one at a time, not effecting the other side.
Then I can listen @ different distances, heights.
"that's why the sounds coming from the driver are clear, and the sounds coming from the mouth are not?
because the mouth is a wavelength away from the driver? "
a horn should use only 3 oktaven,
but when you take hard walls above the 3 oktave,
it is like a wave guide, with much delay and inner
reflections, that makes the sound colorated,
thats why i use soft fibre the first m + press chamber
until 1980, all "Schallschnellen" over 100 Hz can be reduced,
look my horns and the measurements.
because the mouth is a wavelength away from the driver? "
a horn should use only 3 oktaven,
but when you take hard walls above the 3 oktave,
it is like a wave guide, with much delay and inner
reflections, that makes the sound colorated,
thats why i use soft fibre the first m + press chamber
until 1980, all "Schallschnellen" over 100 Hz can be reduced,
look my horns and the measurements.
hm said:
FWIW I implied as much in another thread based on my experiments, so didn't pursue it either, but hope with his advanced 3D software he can find a solution.
GM
REC1 said:
Hmm, AFAIK it takes an incredibly high resolution 3D 'picture' to define audio 'color' outside a narrow BW centered at 2 kHz, so I'm curious just how powerful your computer is or do sims require overnight to do like in the (not so) good ol' days?
So the 'FR' driver is only used in its < half space BW?
GM
mp9 said:
'Flea' power requires way more than 90 dB sens. even in the near-field unless you listen to highly compressed R&R, FM or similar. That, or you really like the euphonic distortion of near constant amp clipping.
GM
so I'm curious just how powerful your computer is or do sims require overnight to do like in the (not so) good ol' days?
So the 'FR' driver is only used in its < half space BW?
Well i normally run my sims at night on the company mainframe. Its old (like me) and still takes a given amount of time.
So the 'FR' driver is only used in its < half space BW?
In that sketch, yes, in others no,
Thanks
ron
So the 'FR' driver is only used in its < half space BW?
Well i normally run my sims at night on the company mainframe. Its old (like me) and still takes a given amount of time.
So the 'FR' driver is only used in its < half space BW?
In that sketch, yes, in others no,
Thanks
ron